Originally Posted by
Greg Amy
- Regardless of what may be happening up front or any place else on the track, drivers are controlled by the flags in their location. That means that the driver that passed Dave under the double-yellow was wrong, wrong, wrong, REGARDLESS that he knew the track was supposed to be green. LOCAL FLAGS OVERRULE ALL.
If the field is using a true split start, then local flags rule. If the field is not, then once the green waves, the course is green and the double-yellow is meaningless. Advantage to having a radio.
Originally Posted by
ner88
T3 and SM were sent out, then they held all SS cars on pre grid.
Lead SS car was told to stay the lenth of the straight behind.
We (the SS group) left pit lane at almost race speed to try and catch up.
I was the third car in the group and we never saw the lead group.
Coming out of the boot the lead SS car took off, so did everyone else.
Was it a split start or split grid?
No second pace car!
The only one given any instruction was the lead SS car.
So, What the hell was it?
A cluster... a fubar?
Originally Posted by
Knestis
Sure it is. Unless my memory fails me (possible), back in the olden days, when the course went FCY, every station went to a waving yellow. The "double yellow" was introduced to make it clear from the observation of ONE station that the pace car was coming out, where in the past one had to see a whole slew of waving yellows.
6.11.2 (Sporting Regs) DOUBLE YELLOW, DISPLAYED AT ALL STATIONS — Indicates the entire course is under a yellow condition. SLOW DOWN, NO PASSING. This flag condition may be used with or without a Pace (Safety) Car, including pace lap(s).
That's what it might have meant back during the Younger Dryas, but now it just means the entire course is under a yellow condition and if start is waving a green, that cannot be true.
Anyone going to pit because they see a single station displaying a black flag?
Heck, I worked a weekend where a FCY was called during qualifying for a large group. Worked great! Drivers slowed down, car got yanked and we went back to green giving the drivers more track time than they would have had with a BFA. never saw a pace car.
What if the green had come out and everyone crashed into one another in T1, blocking the entire track? If control called an alert and rolled the pace car, that double yellow before the start might have been the only - and certainly the earliest - warning that the trailing group got.
This is the procedure I was told to use if an incident occurs at the beginning of an race that requires start to display any flag in addition to the green.
1. The starter continues to wave the green flag, indicating that the race has begun.
2. Backup displays the appropriate flag.
I.e. The starter is waving the green and someone else whips out the double yellow or single yellow.
No green at start means the folks who didn't see the green start double file.
Again - I think we complicate this aspect of the game WAY too much. It's multi-class racing. Deal with it. Sometimes the chips fall in your favor in qualifying, sometimes not. A talented driver will maximize his/her chances given the cards dealt and the whole point of racing is to sort the talent to the front of the finishing order.
K
I can see situations that call for a split grid. We've got a slew of ITS cars that run mid-pack ITB times. If we started everyone in a herd, the ITS cars are going to use their HP to get in front of the ITB race on the run down to turn 1. They will then park it in the turns turning a good B race into a matter of who is lucky enough not to get stuck behind the S cars. We use a split start, with bona fide pace cars for the two groups. Second group has start judges because we know we are getting the green, but so far, we haven't needed them.
I think 90 cars for a sprint race at VIR calls for a split start. Not doing that is only asking for trouble from the accordian effect.
Why ask for trouble or bodywork when a simple and easy procedure makes things a little more enjoyable and safe for everyone?
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