ECR and V8 cars

[Ron Earp]

Cliff Brown and Joe Lee Middlebrooks ran 1:36 in cool weather at Road Atlanta and I ran 1:39's. I am a lot better at Road Atlanta than at VIR. Where I have never had a lap faster than 2:20 in my previous Mustang.

Based on that data it would seem that you guys are only a bit faster, and maybe a bit slower at some tracks, than ITS cars. So there shouldn't be any big problems racing the car where ITS/ITR is allowed.

At RA ITS is running from a low (Huffmaster I think) of around 1:37 to 1:41 or so. At VIR ITS cars run typical laps of 2:17-2:19 at the pointy end.

On the other hand, Chris brought his ITR Mustang V6 to VIR and ran a 2:20 there at around 3000 lbs. Chris is a relatively new racer and had never run VIR before. So, it might indeed be that your car would be outside the ITS/ITR envelope of performance at many tracks.

[Andy Bettencourt]

So, it might indeed be that your car would be outside the ITS/ITR envelope of performance at many tracks.

Nothing personal, but it's not about THIS car with THIS driver, it's about letting ITO cars in. You add the class, you add anything that is legal. Some research on ITO track records is in order I would think.

<--- No ITO up here. ITE covers all.

[Ron Earp]

Nothing personal, but it's not about THIS car with THIS driver, it's about letting ITO cars in. You add the class, you add anything that is legal. .

True that.

I've just never been clear on ITO vs ITE etc. I know ITE is regional and defined locally. I've got an ITE car here in NCR, and I think that it might not be an ITE car down in Atlanta but ITO, not sure.

[Cobrar05]

ITO is going thru some reconfiguration. It initially allowed cars that are now running in the STO class. The original idea for the class as to attract NASA American Iron crossover entries. Allowing Retired World Challenge cars and other modified cars in the 600hp ranges sort of killed that idea.

It appears that ITO is going back to its orginal plan of keeping the HP to Weight down in these cars.
Running Grand Am GS rules Mustangs and M3s these cars are good endurance cars and are fairly plentiful. Right now NASA is the only place they have to race.

ECR's are easily the best track time value that we have. I think the more invited the better

[wbp]

Cobra05, last year at the Nashville Heart of Dixie Double SARRC/ECR, we went with the standard ECR classes. You requested we add ITO so you could run. So we requested the ECR Committee give us an exception to the ECR rules to add ITO to the Nashville race for 2010.
Exception was granted, so ITO added.
No ITOs entered though, so far.

[JoshS]

I know ITE is regional and defined locally.

That's a true statement for any class that's not in the actual GCR, including ITE, ITO, ITU, etc. I'd be curious what those things mean for the SARRC. We don't have ITO or ITU out here, we do have ITE which is basically wide open rules. Literally, the only rules in ITE are: originally a "tub chassis" (understood to mean "not tube frame"), DOT tires, and IT-legal safety gear, otherwise, do whatever you want. There are some VERY fast cars in our version of ITE.

Is that what ITO/ITU are, except that there's an engine-size split? What is ITE in the places where ITO/ITU exist?

[lateapex911]

Around here, Josh, it's similar to yours. So, twin turbo 3.8 ltr 911s with bodacious power and weighing 2000 or so is not uncommon.

[Ron Earp]

Is that what ITO/ITU are, except that there's an engine-size split? What is ITE in the places where ITO/ITU exist?

Well, here is Mr. Young hisownself in our ITE car....he's attacking time or some such nonsense, although time gets him back later.....Fast we're not but we are working on it....

[lateapex911]

thats dead sexy

[Ron Earp]

Try to avoid the "d" word around it. Apparently more than a few folks ended their careers in those things. Not as sexy as the real deal as we have the heritage nose body work and a real cage, but maybe we'll have a longer career.



There are all sorts of crazy things in IT in NC. Every year there is/was a turbo winged Honda that was fast as stink at the 13 hour. A Firebird with some sort of 600hp engine that seems to go bang each year, and one year a Daytona Coupe replica ran that had a 408" motor making some 550 hp or so. It was really fast, but blew up spectacularily in roller coaster about right in front of me. Cool car, but it was in the pits for gas like every 20 laps.