CMP Memorial Monster

[timo944]

On another topic, I think it would be valuable for the membership to know the facts about the ITS protest, to clarify/eliminate rumors that are circulating. Every example that the IT community gets to see, where the culture is encouraging adherence to the rules, is a good thing for all of us.

K

Do tell Kirk - what's this all about?

[quadzjr]

Since I haven't thanked everyone on both sites, I would like to say thanks to all that helped and good to meet everybody and put a face with name.

"had a decent weekend the MR2 had only a small oil leak from a cracked Oring on an AN fitting. In the dry races the MR2 was horribly outpaced some 5-7 seconds per lap slower than the leaders. In the CCPS I was able to work my way up through the field into P1 until the track started to get a dry line. Then Matt started to catch up and passed as I was coming a lap before I was coming into the pits.. A lengthy pitstop let Kirk by, but it was still fun to be competitive for once.


Need to work on some small suspesion setup issues when I return to the track.

Nice to meet finally
Kirk, Cameron, Allan, Jeff, Ron, Les, Matt, John, Derek and more!"

[Knestis]

Do tell Kirk - what's this all about?

Facts as I know them...

** At least one ITS driver (may have been more) filed a protest against another driver

** Protestee decided to voluntarily forfeit finish position and SARRC points to date

** Protester withdrew the protest

K

[TomL]

Kirk has the basic facts right on the protest. There were three protestors. All four of the affected people post here, so I'd leave it to them to decide whether they want to say anything else.

[JeffYoung]

Thanks Tom. You and Kirk have the major stuff right. We (Steve Parrish, myself, Ron Earp) filed a mechanical protest against an ITS competitor. He handled it professinally, as did the stewards. Without any prompting from the stewards, we worked out an agreement with the competitor to withdraw the protest. In my view, the system worked.

[Knestis]

Thanks Tom. You and Kirk have the major stuff right. We (Steve Parrish, myself, Ron Earp) filed a mechanical protest against an ITS competitor. He handled it professinally, as did the stewards. Without any prompting from the stewards, we worked out an agreement with the competitor to withdraw the protest. In my view, the system worked.

I relayed facts. Jeff cheated and editorialized so I can too.

In my view, the system did NOT work but that's a value-laden argument.

KK

[Ron Earp]

I relayed facts. Jeff cheated and editorialized so I can too.

In my view, the system did NOT work but that's a value-laden argument.

KK

I think about all you can say is it turned a null result. The protest didn't occur, so you can't make a judgment about the system.

[Knestis]

It's not about whether a protest "happened" or not. It's about whether an instance of noncompliance was addressed. The latter clearly DID happen.

The use of a means to that end, alternative to the system, is a perfectly reasonable basis for judging the system.

To be clear, Ron - I'm absolutely NOT saying that all parties didn't realize outcomes that they thought were reasonable under the circumstances. In that regard, this was a win-win (win, win, win - for all involved). It just wasn't a win for the CLUB, its culture, or the community. Those are harder issues to resolve and, while I suppose it's not fair to ask you all to make YOUR situation more distasteful to that end, we sort of need people to force the system to mete out justice and document outcomes.

EDIT - or we change the system

K