I figure I'll change that order. Word from tAB is gold...
BenSpeed
#33 ITR Porsche 968
BigSpeed Racing
2013 ITR Pro IT Champion
2014 NE Division ITR Champion
OK - now I have the Hoosier R6 for dry - Toyo RA-1s Intermediate (only $200 more) and Hoosier radials for full rain.
I cannot have another season where I'm caught out with the wrong rubber. Thanks bro
BenSpeed
#33 ITR Porsche 968
BigSpeed Racing
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Ben, I agree with Andy, that's the three sets we
take: R6(or Z214), RA1full, Hwet
I actually have better race times with the Z214s than the R6s,
as low as 14.8 at NH
I think you'll like the RA1s
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Glenn Lawton
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With Ben's heavy car I would think RA1 at full depth would quickly chunk and come apart. Better shave them and hope that it does not dry out too much...
Jeremy Billiel
Kumho Victoracers--If available in your size.
Easily the best intermediate rain tire.
That's interesting - I would have thought with no $$$ limit a shaved Hoosier wet would be the pick for an intermediate. Is it that they're still too soft, even when shaved, to take out on a track that might dry out during the race?
As for the full tread RA1s, I've had mixed results in my (very) limited experience with them; I used only full tread RA1s for my driver's school at Roebling in '06, and as anyone who has ever attended the spring school at Roebling can attest there will be rain at least one of the three days. The tires did fine in the wet there, in fact I think I had the 2nd or 3rd fastest time of our group (which included big bore) in one of the wet sessions. On the other hand, I had a wet race at Summit Point that same year, and the tires slid around like I was on slicks. I had them shaved for dry use not long after that, and have not used another wet race tire since.
Earl R.
240SX
ITA/ST5
My first race at LRP last summer was in the wet and my RA1's with about 3/4 tread left worked fine in the rain(I didn't have any rains so they needed to work fine....LOL). Had no clutch after the first lap and went off between 2&3(no spin but couldn't see the track) and stalled for 2 laps so I can't tell you about RA1's for speed but worked well in the rain. The track never dried out.
Following Andy's unlimited budget thinking.....last years NARRC Offs were a semi rain race. Started wet but I thought it would dry. But, it was COLD..and that happens often when it rains, as it's typical for it to rain in the cooler months.
My tire choices: Dirt Stockers (It was wet enough at the start)
or-- Hoosier R6 slicks.
Or hankooks "A" compound slicks
I chose the Hankooks. It was cold, remember?
For the first few laps, it was hairier than hairy. I went backwards. Around lap 6 or so, it was "equalized. By lap 9 I liked my call. But the dry line was inches wide in places. And if I was off line at the committed 'kinda dry' speed on slicks, it was going to be uuuugly.
At the end, I was way faster than they guy ahead of me, but, he had 30hp on me, so I couldn't pass him on the straights. And I sure couldn't (I tried) pass him off line in the corners, because it was still wet. It was like being on oiled ice. I was stuck behind him. We had some contact even as he'd slip coming out of corners when I had good drive.
So, My "cost no object" quiver would be Hoosier Rs, Hoosier As, but hand cut, and Dirt Stockers. (of course, now that I think of it, hand cutting wouldn't be kosher! Hmmm, maybe the Hoosier wets are as soft a compound? )
Andy and Shane had a hell of a race that day and Andy was on RA1s, IIRC.
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A friend of mine tested the Hoosier W on a track that started wet with no rain falling and went totally dry. They continued to work and finished in one peice - all used up, but OK to get to the end if need be. My decision tree would be - dry Hoosier R, damp Hoosier R, wet/drying Hoosier W, wet Hoosier W, build an ark, Hoosier DS.
^^ I would like to follow a similar model, but stocks of Hoosier DS are drying up literally - I have a set, never used and probably 5 years old. dry/damp - Hoosier R, wet/drying - Toyo RA1, wet/building an ark - Hoosier W.
Demetrius Mossaidis aka 'Mickey' #12 ITA NESCCA
'92 Honda Civic Si
STFU and "Then write a letter. www.crbscca.com"
2013 ITA NARRC Champion and I have not raced since.
Started DAMP and ended up dry. I was on R888's from one of our rental SM's and Shane was on A6's. My plan was to get a lead from pole and try to hold him off. No dice. He was on my bumper from the first turn and beat me in traffic on the last lap. He was faster but I was protecting my spot. He drove a helluva race. We lapped the entire field.
Demetrius Mossaidis aka 'Mickey' #12 ITA NESCCA
'92 Honda Civic Si
STFU and "Then write a letter. www.crbscca.com"
2013 ITA NARRC Champion and I have not raced since.
Jeff L
ITA Miata
2010 NARRC Champion
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