IT Motor Mounts, please send in your yes votes to the CRB

[chuck baader]

Tom, cut and pasted your suggestion with one exception:

"Engine and transmission mounts of alternate design and/or material, may be used, but there can be no change to the engine’s fore, aft or vertical location. Engine mounts must attach to the engine and the chassis in their stock locations."

Chuck

[Knestis]

>> Engine and transmission mounts of alternate design and/or material...

So rear differential mounts (a la IRS designs) can be replaced as well.

Is a subframe "the chassis?"

K

[Greg Amy]

Are the mounts used to hold the transmission end of a FWD assembly considered "motor mounts"? I suggest not. If not, then the whole exercise is pointless, as there's no point in doing the engine side of the drivetrain if you can't do the transmission end, especially since the front/rear mounts are usually attached to the transaxle...and if so, then the rules applies to longitudinally-mounted drivetrains too, regardless of location of the transmission/transaxle.

And why specify "fore, aft or vertical" location? All those extra words (bad, bad ITAC!) do is make me want to find a way to rotate my engine (in either roll, pitch, or possibly even yaw) in such a way as to have a competitive advantage (and with oil pans free, I can probably find a way).

I support the general concept, though... - GA


(In fairness for intorturation, my original suggestion: "Alternate engine and transmission/transaxle mounts are allowed. No chassis or drivetrain components may be repositioned or modified to accommodate this allowance.")

[chuck baader]

Come-on, y'all...lets not make this a 15 page discussion...send your version to the CRB in support of the idea. Chuck

[RHallRacing]

Done and Done

[rsportvolvo]

Vote yes sent to the CRB.

[Greg Amy]

...send your version to the CRB in support of the idea.

Problem is, Chuck, we're not writing in support of an idea, we're writing in support of a rule. While I agree with the idea, I do not agree with the rule; as it's written I can only replace one of the three mounts in my FWD car (the other two attach to the transaxle), making the whole exercise pointless (and a potential competitive disadvantage)...

[trhoppe]

Problem is, Chuck, we're not writing in support of an idea, we're writing in support of a rule. While I agree with the idea, I do not agree with the rule; as it's written I can only replace one of the three mounts in my FWD car (the other two attach to the transaxle), making the whole exercise pointless (and a potential competitive disadvantage)...

So write a letter saying "the idea is awesome, love it, in love with it, I'd have sex with the idea if it was female, but we need to work on the rule language, here is my suggestion "blah blah blah""

[chuck baader]

Greg, since when is a transaxle not a transmission? A worded, I think it should apply to all engine/transmission mounting points, and that is the intent. As far as the differential is concerned, suspension bushings are free. Chuck

[mom'sZ]

Sending vote that Greg Amy gets to review all rule changes before submittal. No really... why the fore aft blah blah blah language? It can't move... period.
Also, I feel like I have to hop from forum to forum so I don't miss anything. Can we not combine the sandbox and this place? Don't be afraid of it over there guys, yeah there are some meanies and bullies and a few who just like to piss in everybodies cornflakes just for fun but for christmas sake... two sepparate discussions every time.
So anyhow.... WHAT about tranny and diff mounts???
an mount is a mount is a mount. either let us have em or don't
And of alternate design? as in I can run big giant steel tubes between all of them and stiffen my chassis? I know I know, can not perform an illegal function but Greg Amy this thing. Remember the George R. edict (or whatever it is) if it says you can... you bloody well can! alternate material yeah sure, alternate design? how would I need to redesign the damn thing to make it work?

[chuck baader]

You have not seen all of the FWD motor mounts, have you? Chuck

[trhoppe]

Also, I feel like I have to hop from forum to forum so I don't miss anything. Can we not combine the sandbox and this place? Don't be afraid of it over there guys, yeah there are some meanies and bullies and a few who just like to piss in everybodies cornflakes just for fun but for christmas sake... two sepparate discussions every time.

Hey, we can absorb this place. Hell, even make a "IT" forum on the sanbox