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    I'll be getting my vote in for, with the addition of trans etc mounts too...
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    The productionifacation of IT is gaining speed down that well lubed slope.

    Next you will all want to change the rule to allow you to remove the washer bottle and gut the doors.
    Last edited by jhooten; 02-23-2010 at 02:27 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhooten View Post
    Next you will all want to change the rule to gut the doors.
    Uhh, welcome to 5 years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck baader View Post
    I'll use my car as an example. The whole rear suspension is an assembly bolted to the car in three places, each end of a suspension subframe, and the diff. All three have bushings. The rear control arms pivot off the subframe. The complete subframe/control arms/diff is the rear suspension. Chuck
    Yes, in these cars (Chuck's is the same as mine) the differential is a stressed member of the subframe assembly. The whole assembly is the subframe and is attached in three places to the chassis, all with bushings. The rules already allow subframe bushings to be replaced.

    This in my opinion is very different from a more traditional rear suspension. In other cases the differential is not a member of the subframe at all, but rather, hangs from it or the chassis (like a Miata). In those cars, I don't see how you could use the suspension bushing allowance to change the differential-mount bushings.
    Josh Sirota
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    Quote Originally Posted by trhoppe View Post
    Uhh, welcome to 5 years ago?

    jhooten joke here =======



    hoppe here ===========



    WOOSH!

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    Bad joke, since we can't remove washer bottles
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    True dat!

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    My vote in with request to change the verbage to include transmission mounts
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    I'm old and grumpy and hate change. But I'm fine with the alternate motor mounts.

    Charlie

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    I'm older and grumpier, and JUST BOUGHT more new stock mounts. Screw yer change.

    Seriously. Someone remind me again why this is so damned important.

    ...warts and all, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary L View Post
    I'm older and grumpier, and JUST BOUGHT more new stock mounts. Screw yer change.

    Seriously. Someone remind me again why this is so damned important.

    ...warts and all, etc.
    Those stock motor mounts are made from used kitchen sponges. I hope you have that "stay rod" thing to keep the engine from falling out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Broring View Post
    Those stock motor mounts are made from used kitchen sponges. I hope you have that "stay rod" thing to keep the engine from falling out.
    It's a wear item; I replace them once per season, never had one fail. Well okay... I did separate one when the jack slid off the front crossmember into the pan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by trhoppe View Post
    Uhh, welcome to 5 years ago?
    Ok, I know my sense of humour doesn't play well with some people BUT
    Uhhhhhhhhhh, you do understand you can't just gut the door because you want to, don't you?

    [rules nerd mode] As you see in GCR 9.1.3.D.9.f "Other than
    to provide for the installation of required safety equipment
    or other authorized modifications, no other driver/passenger
    compartment alterations or gutting are permitted."

    You can remove the door trim panel and replace it with aluminum sheet but you cannot remove the door internals.

    Unless, you look in GCR 9.4.D "In American Sedan, Improved Touring, Showroom
    Stock, Spec Miata, and Touring the door window glass, window
    operating mechanism, inner door trim panel, armrest, map pockets, and
    inside door latch/lock operating mechanism may be removed and the
    inner door structural panel may be modified, but not removed only if the
    door bars extend into the door cavity. The stock side impact beam and
    the outside door latch/lock operating mechanism shall not be removed
    or modified unless specifically authorized in the category rules." [/rules nerd mode]
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    "Engine, transmission and final drive mounts may be modified or replaced provided the location and orientation of these components is not altered in any way. All mounts must attach to the chassi and to the motor/trans/final drive in the original location and method."

    This one should be a no brainer for the CRB to work over.

    BTW why does the CRB have a link to email all of them but when you use it you get one back saying "nope, that email address is not how to get in touch with us, send your letter here"? Why not have that link right there in the FT . Am I simplifying something hard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMiskoe View Post
    "Engine, transmission and final drive mounts may be modified or replaced provided the location and orientation of these components is not altered in any way. All mounts must attach to the chassis and to the motor/trans/final drive in the original location and method."
    Done - thank you.

    PS. Thank you ITAC and CRB for approval a weight correction to the 92-95 Civic Si. It can change to something else down the line as long as it equitable and within the ITA philosophy (lbs/hp with IT factors, etc).
    Last edited by mossaidis; 02-24-2010 at 12:37 AM.
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    Email sent in support
    Enjoy,
    Bill

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    I am in favor since the inserts are already in my car.
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    Email sent - in favor, and advocating the inclusion of transmission/transaxle mounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhooten View Post
    Ok, I know my sense of humour doesn't play well with some people BUT
    Uhhhhhhhhhh, you do understand you can't just gut the door because you want to, don't you?

    [rules nerd mode] As you see in GCR 9.1.3.D.9.f "Other than
    to provide for the installation of required safety equipment
    or other authorized modifications, no other driver/passenger
    compartment alterations or gutting are permitted."

    You can remove the door trim panel and replace it with aluminum sheet but you cannot remove the door internals.

    Unless, you look in GCR 9.4.D "In American Sedan, Improved Touring, Showroom
    Stock, Spec Miata, and Touring the door window glass, window
    operating mechanism, inner door trim panel, armrest, map pockets, and
    inside door latch/lock operating mechanism may be removed and the
    inner door structural panel may be modified, but not removed only if the
    door bars extend into the door cavity. The stock side impact beam and
    the outside door latch/lock operating mechanism shall not be removed
    or modified unless specifically authorized in the category rules." [/rules nerd mode]
    Just extend the door bar 0.0001" into the door cavity and you can gut the door. Not that hard to understand
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhooten View Post
    Ok, I know my sense of humour doesn't play well with some people BUT
    Uhhhhhhhhhh, you do understand you can't just gut the door because you want to, don't you?

    [rules nerd mode] As you see in GCR 9.1.3.D.9.f "Other than to provide for the installation of required safety equipment or other authorized modifications, no other driver/passenger compartment alterations or gutting are permitted."

    You can remove the door trim panel and replace it with aluminum sheet but you cannot remove the door internals.

    Unless, you look in GCR 9.4.D "In American Sedan, Improved Touring, Showroom Stock, Spec Miata, and Touring the door window glass, window operating mechanism, inner door trim panel, armrest, map pockets, and inside door latch/lock operating mechanism may be removed and the inner door structural panel may be modified, but not removed only if the door bars extend into the door cavity. The stock side impact beam and the outside door latch/lock operating mechanism shall not be removed or modified unless specifically authorized in the category rules." [/rules nerd mode]
    Or... if your car was registered prior to 1/1/08, you get to use 9.4.2.G:
    "Two (2) side tubes connecting the front and rear hoops across both door openings are mandatory. Door side tubes may extend into the door. NASCAR-style side protection, or one bar bisecting another to form an “X” is permitted. The door window glass, window operating mechanism, inner door trim panel, armrest, map pockets, and inside door latch/lock operating mechanism may be removed and the inner door structural panel may be modified, but not removed to facilitate this type of side protection. The stock side impact beam and the outside door latch/lock operating mechanism shall not be removed or modified."

    But I digress...

    Letter in support of alternate mounts sent
    Earl R.
    240SX
    ITA/ST5

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