Nothing is official 'till Fastrack is released?

[ebassett]

I sent a reqeust last year to the ITAC regarding a new entry into the ITB field. It was approved and sent on to the CRB for approval. I was told approval or disapproval would be in the February Fastrack. Well, no-show in February.

I sent an email wondering if it would be this month. I got a return email saying it would be decided tonight (2/2/10) and posted in the next Fastrack. I asked if i could get an email about the decision and i was told they could get fired for releasing this information.

The reason i want to know now is because events are gearing up. I want to be prepared and ready when those events roll around and not still wondering if I'm even accepted in a class or not.

So is it true that nothing from CRB is "official" till Fastrack says so?

[Andy Bettencourt]

I sent a reqeust last year to the ITAC regarding a new entry into the ITB field. It was approved and sent on to the CRB for approval. I was told approval or disapproval would be in the February Fastrack. Well, no-show in February.

I sent an email wondering if it would be this month. I got a return email saying it would be decided tonight (2/2/10) and posted in the next Fastrack. I asked if i could get an email about the decision and i was told they could get fired for releasing this information.

The reason i want to know now is because events are gearing up. I want to be prepared and ready when those events roll around and not still wondering if I'm even accepted in a class or not.

So is it true that nothing from CRB is "official" till Fastrack says so?

What was the request?

[Greg Amy]

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[ebassett]

To have a new car classed in the ITB field (528e to be specific). The information i sent was approved by ITAC and passed on to CRB. I was curious as to why a decision would be so secretive and i would have to wait until Fastrack was released to know the outcome.

[JeffYoung]

ITAC recommended classing the 528e in ITB. CRB rejected that, and wants it in A at a higher weight. Should be in Fastrack this coming month.

[lateapex911]

Oh, THAT request, LOL.

OK< here's what I know. When I was on the ITAC, we reviewed your request. We, strangely enough have good intel on that engine and it's potential in IT trim. We deduced that the car could not get down to an ITA weight, and recommended that it be classed in ITB. That recommendation went to the CRB, who rejected it. They feel the 'car doesn't 'fit' ITB", and that the engine is too big. They told us we had to re-recommend it for ITA, or not class it. So, we did as we were told, it is now in their hands as an ITA recommendation.

I'm sorry if ITA isn't where you think the car should be, and I am in agreement with you.

I resigned from the ITAC over issues (like this) and won't know anymore from here on in. I'll know it's ultimate fate when you know.

[ebassett]

I guess my request caused some problems within the ranks. I apologize. Thanks you to all you guys that helped get this through.

I believe the car should be in ITB but i guess CRB knows best, not you guys who drive in the IT classes.

My question still remains...Will the secret voting tonight be givin to me or will i have to wait till the new Fastrack?

[JeffYoung]

My recollection was a bit different from Jake's, I thought the car was approved it just need to be weighed and put in A, and should be in the next Fastrack.

For what it is worth Earl, Jake and I were strongly in favor of the car going in B since it was clear with its curb weight it would never make its ITA weight. The CRB had a fair response to that which is it would be the biggest motor in ITA with a ton of torque.

[Andy Bettencourt]

For what it is worth Earl, Jake and I were strongly in favor of the car going in B since it was clear with its curb weight it would never make its ITA weight. The CRB had a fair response to that which is it would be the biggest motor in ITA with a ton of torque.

As was I. It has always been policy to place a car in the 'fastest' possible class that it's minimum weight can actually be acheived.

So this is a perfect example of fundamental policy issues. Does the IT community think that a car like this should be weighted per the process in ITB (with accounts for actual HP gains and an additional adder for excessive torque) where it can actually make weight, even though it doesn't 'look' or 'smell' like an ITB car...

or

Put it in ITA with the 325e/eta that has the same motor at a weight that will be 1000% unobtainable.

I know that sounds incredibly bias, but I can't write it any other way because it makes zero sense to me other than the risk of putting it in ITB at Process weight is simply too much for so 'little' reward. You make the call. It really is a question that defines current departure in philosophy for me at least.

[Knestis]

Add it to the list.

Seriously. I just get to the point where I start to be less worried and we get some stupid thing like, "it doesn't LOOK like an ITB car."

K

[Greg Amy]

... we get some stupid thing like, "it doesn't LOOK like an ITB car."

Well it really doesn't...hey, just sayin'...

GA, who wonders why someone would want to race a big heavy car within ITB instead of taking a shot with a car effectively lacking a minimum weight limit - with shat-tons of torque - in ITA...

[rcc85]

Yeah, what does an ITB car look like anyway? GTI? Volvo 142? BMW 2002? Alfa GTV? Audi Coupe? Fiero? MGB? Suzuki Swift? Plymouth Arrow? Pinto? Those cars all look so much alike, I get confused sometimes.

Bob Clifton
#05 ITB Dodge Daytona

[lateapex911]

Well it really doesn't...hey, just sayin'...

GA, who wonders why someone would want to race a big heavy car within ITB instead of taking a shot with a car effectively lacking a minimum weight limit - with shat-tons of torque - in ITA...

It looks a LOT like a Volvo 242 to me. We went over this....twice, on TWO calls. I went through the ITCS and came up with several cars that were within an inch or two in dimensions and within 20 pounds that were ALREADY in ITB. So, it looks like an ITB car to me....not that that's even a valid point, LOL.

Jeff, after I wrote my resignation letter, I went to the letter tracking site and transferred all my notes. I needed to run the numbers on that car, and I recall doing that. I'm now locked out of that system. (shock!) so I can't double check. I seem to recall 2550 was the recommended weight.

Seriously, when the discussion came up, I listed our options, on the con call as: (paraphrased), "So, if understand it correctly the CRB will allow us to recommend it for ITA or not at all" We voted on ITA.

They meet in 12 minutes. and Fastrack gets released on the 20th.

IF it's approved (I see no reason it wouldn't be, but there was discussion boo hooing the car and some suggested refusing to class it at all, so, who knows, maybe that will come up again????) be prepared to use every hollow wsay bar, aluminum fastener, undercoat stripping, carbon seat, super light cage, super light fuel cel trick in the book. If you're doing this to save money because you HAVE the car, it will be far cheaper to find another platform to make competitive in the long run. (IMO)

[lateapex911]

My recollection was a bit different from Jake's, I thought the car was approved it just need to be weighed and put in A, and should be in the next Fastrack.

For what it is worth Earl, Jake and I were strongly in favor of the car going in B since it was clear with its curb weight it would never make its ITA weight. The CRB had a fair response to that which is it would be the biggest motor in ITA with a ton of torque.

Did you mean ITB? There are bigger engines with more torque in A already. (3.8L, 190 tq, stock)

[RSTPerformance]

Not classing the car all together will really prove my point that a big gap exists between ITA and ITB... Something that will take a few years to fix unfortunatly... And the "fixin" is giing to be a long painfull process.

Raymond

[lateapex911]

Not classing the car all together will really prove my point that a big gap exists between ITA and ITB... Something that will take a few years to fix unfortunatly... And the "fixin" is giing to be a long painfull process.

Raymond

I don't know about that, it is an odd duck of a car, big and heavy with a motor that has a curve more approximating a diesel than a normal car motor.

[RacerBill]

Yeah, what does an ITB car look like anyway? GTI? Volvo 142? BMW 2002? Alfa GTV? Audi Coupe? Fiero? MGB? Suzuki Swift? Plymouth Arrow? Pinto? Those cars all look so much alike, I get confused sometimes.

Bob Clifton
#05 ITB Dodge Daytona

Dodge Charger!!!!!!!!!!

[wepsbee]

Not to hijack a thread but it sounds like there is a handy formula for determining where a car should be placed. Is there an avenue to run your car through this formula to determine where you are before a request is submitted for a reclassification?

[Greg Amy]

Not any more...

[924Guy]

Not to hijack a thread but it sounds like there is a handy formula for determining where a car should be placed. Is there an avenue to run your car through this formula to determine where you are before a request is submitted for a reclassification?

Ahhh... you must be new here...