ITAC or CRB Board Minutes for Fastrack?

[gran racing]

What's IT? Is that some regional only category where they pick the car's weights out of a hat?

[GKR_17]

What's IT? Is that some regional only category where they pick the car's weights out of a hat?

Didn't get what you want, then pick again!

[IPRESS]

I would think that the minutes of the CRB meetings are in FT. That is the equivalent of the SB, RRB, & RCB. None of the other advisory boards have their minutes in FT.

Really folks, the idea that the CRB is "out to get" or "is on a power play" about IT is totally wrong.
As far as the people serving on that board, the ones I know at least, they think IT is great.
There are several vocal folks on this site and the rrax site that have a lot of "emotional ownership" of "The Process". Some of them have taken the CRBs reluctence to "rubber stamp" exactly what the ITAC suggested, as a sign that CRB members are power crazy or want to treat IT as inferior. The exact opposite is true. From what I gather their thinking runs along the lines of "lets not screw up" one of the best areas of club racing. Lets be very conservitive in using "The Process" as things in IT are probably better than in most other race classes. As far as any of the advisory boards go they are just that advisory nothing more nothing less. I am pretty sure that the CRB doesn't "rubber stamp" issues from other A boards anymore than with the ITAC.
The heated debate which may or may not have gotten out of hand finally influenced the CRB to say "hold on lets get everybody away from the ledge and let emotions and hurt feelings cool off." (At least it looks like that to me.)
All this gnashing of teeth and accusations in both directions the past few months have skewed what this is all about.
I may be wrong, but what I see it being about... is Fun... Fair... Racing.
It is not about a tool. It is not about "lead trophies". It is not about political positioning and power (as much as some might want to think). It is just about FFR.

[Knestis]

I would think that the minutes of the CRB meetings are in FT. That is the equivalent of the SB, RRB, & RCB. None of the other advisory boards have their minutes in FT.

Really folks, the idea that the CRB is "out to get" or "is on a power play" about IT is totally wrong.
As far as the people serving on that board, the ones I know at least, they think IT is great.
There are several vocal folks on this site and the rrax site that have a lot of "emotional ownership" of "The Process". Some of them have taken the CRBs reluctence to "rubber stamp" exactly what the ITAC suggested, as a sign that CRB members are power crazy or want to treat IT as inferior. The exact opposite is true. From what I gather their thinking runs along the lines of "lets not screw up" one of the best areas of club racing. Lets be very conservitive in using "The Process" as things in IT are probably better than in most other race classes. As far as any of the advisory boards go they are just that advisory nothing more nothing less. I am pretty sure that the CRB doesn't "rubber stamp" issues from other A boards anymore than with the ITAC.
The heated debate which may or may not have gotten out of hand finally influenced the CRB to say "hold on lets get everybody away from the ledge and let emotions and hurt feelings cool off." (At least it looks like that to me.)
All this gnashing of teeth and accusations in both directions the past few months have skewed what this is all about.
I may be wrong, but what I see it being about... is Fun... Fair... Racing.
It is not about a tool. It is not about "lead trophies". It is not about political positioning and power (as much as some might want to think). It is just about FFR.

As one of those vocal folks, Mac, I could get persnickety about the simple factual/historical errors of this, and highlight places where your interpretations aren't very well supported, but I'll leave it simply at, "you might think about talking with a few more people."

I worry that right now, you (that's the global "you;" not just you, Mac) can't count on what you hear from any one CRB member as being the "official" position of the CRB - or that others will hear the same thing from other members, or the same thing from that member at different times.

K

[Rabbit07]

I would like to add that the CRB definately does not rubber stamp things from other advisory commitees. The majority of my customers run in either Touring or Showroom Stock. I have sent letters, been told by the advisory commitee members that they aproved said rule change etc, and then nothing......crickets......crickets........

IT is not alone

[Knestis]

Operationalize "rubber stamp" for me, Chris.

Are you talking about the CRB not voting "aye" on something that the ad hoc recommended, or not acting on it one way or the other? The former is precisely what the CRB should do if they don't think that a proposed change is in the best interest of the Club Racing program. The latter is a huge problem and if nothing else, disrespectful of the membership.

K

[RSTPerformance]

Kirk-

I agree... I finally got a reply to one request I made almost a year ago!!! While it wasn't what I hoped, and I totaly disagree with thier direction at least I finally got a reply for one of the requests. They, the CRB needs to comunicate with us, (the customers) much better. They can't simply sit on things for months and months. The system used now sucks, I don't see how it could be any worse. Also the communicated reply in fast track sucks simply because it does not communicate any reasoning behind the desicions. Sure some of us squeeky wheels get personal e-mails but... All the customers (members) should get the same info. With 45,000 members I am sure that some of us share the same questions and would benefit from a real reply.

Raymond "just another vocal customer" Blethen

[Rabbit07]

Operationalize "rubber stamp" for me, Chris.

Are you talking about the CRB not voting "aye" on something that the ad hoc recommended, or not acting on it one way or the other? The former is precisely what the CRB should do if they don't think that a proposed change is in the best interest of the Club Racing program. The latter is a huge problem and if nothing else, disrespectful of the membership.

K

Kirk,

I can only asume that it is the later because there has been no mention of the requests anywhere, not in the fastrack or in an email or letter to me. This is the kind of stuff that gets the black helicopter theories going! Some of the requests seemed to have been just plain lost!