Enduro length question?

[joeg]

Anything originally scheduled for over 45 minutes is an Enduro.

[Cobrar05]

The long races are struggling to survive. The Homestead race is dead. The Ledges race was cut in half hoping to survive. The 6 hour Road Atlanta race had 25 cars in it.

There is a 9 hour at Road Atlanta in December. How many of you guys are going to be there? I am the series director and would love to see you.

Conversely we can make 3 hour races work all year long.

We run an enduro at each NASA SE event. Would love to see you out there. Its a lot easier to get car count when the race is a reasonable lenth.

[Knestis]

...There is a 9 hour at Road Atlanta in December. How many of you guys are going to be there? I am the series director and would love to see you.

Sure going to try.

We run an enduro at each NASA SE event. Would love to see you out there. Its a lot easier to get car count when the race is a reasonable lenth.

...and a lot easier to enter if they had an equitable, fair head and neck restraint rule, rather than a restraint-of-trade H&N system rule.

Point is that everything potentially matters when it comes to picking - so defining - races. Think what you want but I can make the math for a 12 hour enduro work out better than for a 3-hour simply because people - some people, not everyone - are willing to pay for a seat in a long race, where they aren't willing to pay what it costs to run 1/2 of a 3-hour.

K

[Cobrar05]

Ah...the SCCA protest against SFI. I have to wear a HANS if I want to race my Koni Challenge Mustang next season. No ISAAC allowed. Should I restrict myself to just SCCA because every body except SCCA requires an SFI approve device?

Oh, well. I tried, boys. There is a 9 hour race at Road Atlanta in December. We have 4 RA dates for next season with 3 hour races and another 9 hr race. CMP, Charlotte Motorspeedway as well.

[Marcus Miller]

I'd race the 9 hour in December.... If you hadn't scheduled it against NASA's hallmark event...

[NORRIS]

I'd race the 9 hour in December.... If you hadn't scheduled it against NASA's hallmark event...

Last year James Clay did both

This year he's only doing the nine hour

He must be getting old

[RSTPerformance]

Anything over an hour in my mind is an endurance race... But I am not racing a VW or Miata that will run all day long!!! I like three hours but would love to and would probably prefer to run 6,12, or 24hrs instead... The longer the race the more of a test for endurance is challenged!

Raymond "wow it's been a while since H&N took us off topic... Well done!" Blethen

PS: I also prefer to boycot any SFI snob series...

[Marcus Miller]

Last year James Clay did both

This year he's only doing the nine hour

He must be getting old

probably couldn't get a good deal (Free is good, right?) on a seat out here :026:

old?? ha! Will we see you for the 25, John?

[Ron Earp]

Deleted, missed the author's point.

[Cobrar05]

I am tired of the "Its not an enduro" line. The next step up from sprint race is enduro.
I am not aware of a single SCCA national or regional or NASA sprint race over 45 minutes in lenth.

Since there is nothing in between a sprint race and an enduro, by definition a race longer than a sprint is an enduro. The honest question is whether its your kind of enduro or not.

The "its not an enduro" claim only serves to eliminate or make exclusive YOUR kind of enduro racing. That means that it serves to discourage, not encourage people to join us. Thats the wrong approach. Hell, I drive a V8 car. I am not even allowed to enter most SCCA enduros. Thank god for NC Region and Atlanta Region.

So, lets start telling guys that are curious that its not an enduro unless they are ready to run at least 6 hours. Unless they know enough guys to crew the race car and know someone else he trusts to drive or is willing to chance driving someone else's car.

Last point in this rant. The pitstops. Its not a real enduro unless you have no required pitstops.

Grand Am Rolex requires a pitstop in the first 30 or 45 minutes of a race. I think ALMS does not allow any work on the car until fueling is completed. These are professional series. We are AMATEUR racers. AMATEUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1.a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons. Compare professional.

Either we do pitstops in a way that takes as much of the risk for injury out of it or we go professional style, which means your entire team must be in firesuits with helmets.