Scca Itr Vs Jp Bmw Club Racing Car

[dj10]

I wanted to let some of you who are interested what point out the between these 2 cars and classes are. It will be easiest to just show what the BMW JP cars are allowed that the SCCA ITR cars are not.

1. Cams
2. upgrade front and rear brakes to 4 piston calipers
3. Wings
4. Valve springs, keepers, etc. are open

Just to name a few things. A true built JP E36 325, 328, Z3 and/ or E30 M3 will NOT be legal in SCCA ITR.

I now return you to your normally scheduled programming.....

[Knestis]

Sorry - why was there any question about any of this...?

K

[dj10]

There should not be any questions from ITB people. :~)

"I've communicated with a couple of BMW club racers who think their JP cars is ITS and ITR legal. And theirs might be legal in ITS or ITR, if it isn't competitive in JP and is using the stock cams."

Ron, you are correct, I know of one Legal ITR car who races in JP class. He can't beat the front runing JP cars but is very competitive only because he is a good driver.

[Knestis]

There should not be any questions from ITB people. :~) ...

Ooooh, sorry! I didn't know it was super-secret expensive real racey car stuff. I'll go back to the Taco Bell parking lot with the rest of the kids.



K

[dj10]

Ooooh, sorry! I didn't know it was super-secret expensive real racey car stuff. I'll go back to the Taco Bell parking lot with the rest of the kids.



K

LOL K!
Just bustin your chops. I'm sure by now you know what's going on.

[Ron Earp]

Probably need to point this out on the BMW forums. I've communicated with a couple of BMW club racers who think their JP cars is ITS and ITR legal. And theirs might be legal in ITS or ITR, if it isn't competitive in JP and is using the stock cams.

[robits325is]

I think I know what he is implying.

[dj10]

I think I know what he is implying.

Yep Rob, any JP car that the shoe fits.

[robits325is]

I can think of one.....

[Doc Bro]

Yup,

Got really whooped by that one recently. Gorgeous car though...

R

[lateapex911]

I can think of one.....

I know that car, he made some $ recently, right?

[hondaman321]

Every car has parts that are not legal. I could come and find parts that are not legel in doc bro's car and dan jones car. For dan to start this thread is crazy. His car is extremely fast, to fast. Some people buy or have cars built and do not realize they are not legal, however Dan claims to do work on his car himself. While all the cars down south are not legal, I would assume dans is not if he can compete with them. Whats your opinion?????

[JLawton]

Ewwwww Gotta love those anonymous first posts!!!

[Ron Earp]

While all the cars down south are not legal, I would assume dans is not if he can compete with them. Whats your opinion?????

That you're a one post wonder troll?

[dj10]

Every car has parts that are not legal. I could come and find parts that are not legel in doc bro's car and dan jones car. For dan to start this thread is crazy. His car is extremely fast, to fast. Some people buy or have cars built and do not realize they are not legal, however Dan claims to do work on his car himself. While all the cars down south are not legal, I would assume dans is not if he can compete with them. Whats your opinion?????

Thank you, I take this as a compliment. My car is as open for inspection anytime anywhere. If you want to protest me please bring cash cause I don't accept American Express. I'll also be happy to give you Chuck Stickley's phone number since he built the engine and I asked for a full build LEGAL SCCA IT engine. Stickley's engines have passed tear downs at ARRC. I try and do things and deal with people as honestly as I possibly can all the time. I do all of the normal maintance myself but Jim Locke prepares the suspension and does the larger repairs. I only give him feed back so he can setup the car. Just remember, it takes a car and a driver to be fast.

hondaman321, who ever you are, your invited to my paddock area anytime your around.
Again, thank you for the compliment, it is appreciated.

[hondaman321]

for arguments sake, you are correct. I do not drive, I have worked with scca for many years and get annoyed at post like this. I understand I come off as an asshole, however facts are facts. Last year at watkins glenn. A car in ITR (red bmw) not dan jones is known to have cams or at least I know it has large cams(very large). Dans car pulled this other itr bmw 8-10 cars down the straight aways. I do not care about his exit speed coming out of the corner compared to the other car, it was not that much different to pull 10 cars. Its like saying you have a legal sunbelt motor(when they were still around) and all they did was put gigantic cams in a built motor and shipped it. Come on. I have worked at enough places to sit at a track and realize which cars are legal and which are not. Today barely any are, E36's in the northeast had been legal in 2003-2004, however all the ones down south caused this ITR class. You can see that cars that are legal in ITR still compete with ITS because they should still be in that class. It was for all the people down south that had all the illegal parts and caused this mess. So anyway overall everyone cheats, if you are not thats great. But dont tell me you have a junkyard motor or a built legal motor and then pull 10 cars on a similar car that is known to be legally built.
Thanks,
Biff

[dj10]

Biff, I guess there is no way I can convince you that I'm legal. If your around when I'm racing please come over and at least say hi and look the car over. I carry my dyno sheets with me. I have no idea of the race you talked about and surely didn't know anything about the other illegal BMW you wrote of. Maybe his car wasn't running right? Who knows. All I will say that the people that I've raced against a lot know I am a man of my word and the duty, honor and intergity means something to me.
BTW Biff, Thanks for all your work with the SCCA.

[Eagle7]

Biff, I guess there is no way I can convince you that I'm legal. If your around when I'm racing please come over and at least say hi and look the car over. I carry my dyno sheets with me. I have no idea of the race you talked about and surely didn't know anything about the other illegal BMW you wrote of. Maybe his car wasn't running right? Who knows. All I will say that the people that I've raced against a lot know I am a man of my word and the duty, honor and intergity means something to me.
BTW Biff, Thanks for all your work with the SCCA.

Dan, I don't know you from Adam (except on this forum), but your responses to Biff show me you're a real class act. Keep up the good work.

[Ron Earp]

f Today barely any are, E36's in the northeast had been legal in 2003-2004, however all the ones down south caused this ITR class. You can see that cars that are legal in ITR still compete with ITS because they should still be in that class. It was for all the people down south that had all the illegal parts and caused this mess.

No Biff, not everyone all over cheats and cheating isn't unique to "the South".

And as far as the ITR "mess", you are flat out wrong. ITR was definitely a needed class. You can't stuff 240hp stock cars into ITS and not have the weights be so high as to make the car completely unusable.

[hondaman321]

ron i agree, ITR is a great class for other cars, however the e36 fully built to the rules will have a tough time beating an its e46 323 or an its rx7 or an itr 968 or an itr integra. e36's fit in ITS until everyone down south starting cheating. Its not a myth, it is true. I have seen 8-10 cars sold and then motors rebuilt from the south and not one(not one at all) was legal.