Ita 92 civic hatchback dx ?

[andysland]

Hello everyone Im new to the site I was refered by a friend that has been racing scca for a long time. So here is the question I have a 92 civic hatchback dx with a 1.5L and in the hand book I'm put in the same class as the civic SI crx which has a 1.6L and is light what would I have to do to get the advantage on him if anything. And is there any other 92-96 hb out there because I keep searching but come up with no one is there a reason is it not a competive car? I would think so with the weight to power ratio. I heard that they might put us in itb? Can I get some input please.....
Thanks

[Knestis]

The IT advisory board recommended moving this car to B in June. The Club Racing Board will make the final decision.

K

[Xian]

If the car doesn't get bumped down to ITB, you might look at "converting" your car to Si specs and running it in ITA. It's not been shown to be the car to have but might be more competitive than with the DX engine.

[R2 Racing]

I've been waiting for two years for that car to be moved to ITB. The recommendation has been made by the ITAC, but it's now in the CRB's hands, so we continue to wait. Hopefully soon.

Other option, like Christian said, is to convert it to a Si and run it in ITA. However, the Si had power steering and a sunroof, so good luck with that.

[quadzjr]

We are also waiting on that decision. One of our guys is building one, I doubt highly that you could get it down to the spec weight with et1.5L in ITA.. but I have been wrong before. We have stripped eveything, and hopefully in the next month will see how much it weighs with the 1.5L in it.

[almskidd]

The DX 92-95 civic just got moved into ITB and the weight is 2345. Seems the hatachback should be easy to get to that weight. Hopefully that d15b7 will respond well to exhaust, if so it should be fine in ITB at that weight.

By the way I am building the DX that quadzjr was talking about. I'll have it on wheels in the next few weeks and then in november it will be out on the track at roebling during an HPDE. We will see how it does.

[almskidd]

Stole my paint job!

I love my orange paint job

It is GREAT to see that car with an ITB on the side. A super addition to the class, I think.

K

Thanks. I hope to be doing well out there.

what makes you think you need more spring? I never saw the tires going positive camber or really any real body rol. you were just barely lifting the inside rear wheel on the off-camber stuff during braking. when I was behind you. I was using your car as a baseline. In comparison I had much more body roll.

coming out of 4... BTW.. Josh you did really well. car was running decent times, and was hardly using the tires.. I wish the same could be said about me.

I think a little more up front would possible help with the inside rear lifting. But before I go changing rates I have a number of things to do to help with that. Mainly I was concerned with the locking of the wheel. I am hoping to get that to stop or somehow minimize it. I am running 500 up front and 700 in the rear. The rear sway is an ASR 32mm hollow (beautiful peice).

[Xian]

Sounds like you've got a good starting point for the setup. You might want to pick the brains of some of the Integra (DC2) guys. I know they run considerably stiffer all the way around.

How much air are you getting under the rear tire? Is the inside rear locking up under braking all the time or is it just when you're "carrying" it in the air thru the turns?

Out of curiousity, any idea on the specs for the ASR piece (diameter, wall thickness, arm length)? I'm running a custom Speedway rear bar currently and wondered how the two compare.

Christian

[almskidd]

Sounds like you've got a good starting point for the setup. You might want to pick the brains of some of the Integra (DC2) guys. I know they run considerably stiffer all the way around.

How much air are you getting under the rear tire? Is the inside rear locking up under braking all the time or is it just when you're "carrying" it in the air thru the turns?

Out of curiousity, any idea on the specs for the ASR piece (diameter, wall thickness, arm length)? I'm running a custom Speedway rear bar currently and wondered how the two compare.

Christian

32mm OD, 3mm wall, arm is adjustable to between 6 or 7 inches and 3 or 4 inches. The bar is only slightly shorter than the distance between the two rear lower control arm mounts.

I am most likely going to move up to 600/800 or 700/900 in the future.

I was told the rear could be locking up because of the drum brakes needing adjustment, but i know only the basics about how a drum brake works so i'll just have to trust them on this one.

[Xian]

Gotcha. FWIW, yours converts to ~1.25" diameter, .120 wall bar offered by speedway. In their range that's a pretty "middle of the road" bar so if you decide to go softer or harder, you may have some options thru them. I'm running the same size bar but with a bit more adjustment options on the arm length.

I ran my CRX at 500/700 and have to say that my Civic at 700/1000 is actually smoother over bumps... IMO, the higher rates pay dividends when you start hopping curbs as the suspension bottoms out less.

Both my CRX and Civic were/are drum cars. Are you locking them up under straight line braking at all? Or is the issue only apparent when one of the rears has been in the air? If it's the latter, I wouldn't worry about it... the small puff of smoke at touchdown shouldn't hurt anything at all. Its unusual to have rear drums adjusted tightly enough that you'd have premature rear lockup... this is b/c with them adjusted "out" too far, you'll have trouble getting the drum back over them. More often, I'd find that I needed to ratchet up a click or two on the parking brake to start pre-loading them as they got hot and wore as the race went on... what rear shoes are on the car? Stock type?

[raffaelli]

My son introduced the rear of his 92 dx hatch to a tree yesterday. Need parts?

[almskidd]

Gotcha. FWIW, yours converts to ~1.25" diameter, .120 wall bar offered by speedway. In their range that's a pretty "middle of the road" bar so if you decide to go softer or harder, you may have some options thru them. I'm running the same size bar but with a bit more adjustment options on the arm length.

I ran my CRX at 500/700 and have to say that my Civic at 700/1000 is actually smoother over bumps... IMO, the higher rates pay dividends when you start hopping curbs as the suspension bottoms out less.

Both my CRX and Civic were/are drum cars. Are you locking them up under straight line braking at all? Or is the issue only apparent when one of the rears has been in the air? If it's the latter, I wouldn't worry about it... the small puff of smoke at touchdown shouldn't hurt anything at all. Its unusual to have rear drums adjusted tightly enough that you'd have premature rear lockup... this is b/c with them adjusted "out" too far, you'll have trouble getting the drum back over them. More often, I'd find that I needed to ratchet up a click or two on the parking brake to start pre-loading them as they got hot and wore as the race went on... what rear shoes are on the car? Stock type?

The rear shoes are 913's from carbotech. I don't think they were locking up when i was braking straight. So maybe it was just that I unloaded that tire enough that it would lock. I was lifting the inside rear in a number of turns. I still have a lot of work to do before the car is setup anyway so I am not going to worry about it. yet. Also they were brand new and did not have a brake in period yet. Thanks for the help though.