View Poll Results: I would like the IT rules to allow removal of dual purpose vestiges.

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Thread: A Poll Regarding the IT Rules Set

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  1. #1
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    Seems like we have a three step re-evaluation process:

    1. Determine if car needs further scrutiny.

    On track performance is used as a trigger for further research on a car.

    2. Gather data and evidence.

    What is the evidence? Dyno sheets still seem to be the only true data, but, as has been pointed out, those can be manipulated unless gotten in a controlled environment. Is lower compression evidence? Is longer cam duration evidence?

    3. Set new weight.

    Presumably, the idea is that the 25% number would be increased to whatever is determined by the evidence in step 2.


    Did I leave something out? Step 2 is still where we have the problems.
    ITA 240SX #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidM View Post
    I say bring a dyno to the ARRC (and other big races if possible) and the top 5 in each class get put on it right after the race. There's your data and it could be kept confidential to the ITAC if desired.
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidM View Post
    Dyno sheets still seem to be the only true data, but, as has been pointed out, those can be manipulated unless gotten in a controlled environment.
    With custom ECU's that won't work. All it takes is the flip of one hidden switch and you can cut the engine power in half (or whatever fraction you want).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GKR_17 View Post
    With custom ECU's that won't work. All it takes is the flip of one hidden switch and you can cut the engine power in half (or whatever fraction you want).
    True. The switch wouldn't even need to be hidden since it's legal per the rule book as ECUs are open.

    However, maybe you could have something in the Supps for the event that says cars are not to be modified from their on-track configuration before being put on the dyno. There's nothing to keep someone from flipping their switch, but I think their integrity would come into question (Edit: If caught of course). I don't know if that's something you could specify in the Supps or not.

    You have to trust people at some point. I just think it would be harder (mentally speaking, not actually doing it) to fudge things at an event versus sending in that dyno sheet of your car before the trick exhaust header and full ECU tuning. Maybe not, dunno.

    David
    Last edited by DavidM; 09-10-2009 at 03:40 PM.
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