The NARRC website (www.NARRC.com) has the points from 2001 to the present.
This has how many weekends. how many rounds, how many doubles, and who drove what how many times.
Please send Andy your observations, comments and suggestions.
Thanks,
Darrell Anthony
Could the Regions stand on their own without any series ?????? dave
Read the rule book aka GCR section 6.2.2.a then get the 18 minutes somewhere else.
Just sayin,Dan
Do you realize 6 of the 10 NERRC events are also NARRC events? It also appears that the two NON NARRC doubles are the two lowest attended events of the season. Did you know the Lime Rock single (NARRC) outperformed the RAL single (non NARRC) by 50+ entires (based on electronic pre-reg on NESCCA.com) Not saying that NER couldn't survive because we know it could but I don't think we have a good grip on the infuence of a NARRC event. The short season format of ProIt is proving popular!
There is no doubt that the NARRC series needs a revamp. Hell, I think it should be run by an independent committee that runs a single event at each track (NHMS, LRP, WGI, POC, Thunderbolt, Lightning), gives out event winner stickers and killer year-end trophies...but that may be too extreme.
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Jeremy Billiel
Lets look at the last race for NER at NHMS.
Group1 9 classes total. ITA,ITr, ITb, etc 19 cars
group2 Formula cars 13 classes 8 cars
Group 3 T1, GT1, etc 10 classes 12 cars
Group 4 SM 1 class 25 cars
Group 5 SRF 3 clases 4 cars
group 6 combined
Group 7 SSM 6 claasses 16 cars
Group 8 FV 3 classes 8 cars
Seems like this weekend was a waste, Not sure where all the SRF cars were, but I am sure this race never stood a chance. 1 week after a NARRC race & 2 weeks before another NER racee at the same track.
Kevin,
Jeremy is right, NER has a good core or drivers and could easily run its own series without Narrc. Last week’s event has been our weakest for years mainly because of the date in my opinion. We have been trying to move the date and it looks like next year we will be able to move it a little.
I believe even with last weekend being as weak as it was the region will break even. NER is pretty efficient and has an advantage with cost being spread out over many events.
Actually I need to correct myself, RAL is our weakest Regional event. The NHMS national is actually or weakest weekend.
dick patullo
ner scca IT7 Rx7
How about looking at it from the total opposite approach. EVERY race has NARRC points and only top 8 count? I do think there should be some sort of reward for racing at other tracks. You don't want someone to win the series just becasue he can kick ass at only one track.
I don't know if this is a good idea or not. All the suggestions I've heard have merit. Smarter people than I can hopefully figure it out. Truthfully? I don't think there is a silver bullet for this problem.
Jeff L
ITA Miata
2010 NARRC Champion
2007 NERRC Championship, 2nd place
2008 NARRC Championship, 2nd place
2009 NARRC Championship, 2nd place
Here's something to chew on: is there any reason to have any kind of series at all? I mean, fer krist's sake, this ain't no pro football here...I'd like to think we're all in it for the activity itself (the racing) not to pretend we're some kinda pro players...we're decisively not...
If you like that kinda stuff, then leave the "series championships" to Pro-IT and go pretend in that arena if you want. Don't try to bring in sponsorship, and money, and things like that; you'll just ruin the amateur racing (there are plenty of places to go play in if you want that). I'm personally in it for the individual weekend activities (racing, time with friends, playing with cars) and I don't give two shakes about any season "championships"... sorry if I sound rude, but I just see this whole series thing within amateur racing as posing (trust me, Roger ain't out there watching to see who wins). But I admit my viewpoint is dramatically skewed...
In the face of a significant recession? That's why we are where we are. And it's great that there are drivers who've and who do participate with high event counts, but where are they all now? And what will it take to get them back. Isn't that the crux of this thread?
And to Daves point. That's exactly what the regions are using the NARRC designation for. Because they wouldn't be solvent without the car counts or they would lose significant revenue on a per event basis. This weekend past Brian M jokingly stated that this was the last NARRC season, and while it was obvious he was joking, it does suggest a bit of truth at least among some of the IT crowd. This personally will be my last NARRC season, I feel that there are more tracks to see and more experiences to be had than the NARRC is currently offering.
R
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Rob Breault
BMW 328is #36
2008 Driving Impressions Pro-ITA Champion
2008 NARRC DP Champion
2009 NARRC ITR Champion
2009 Team DI Pro-ITR Champion
Andy,
I hope to have an e-mail with a complete revamp idea to energize and transform the series. Basically in short I would love to follow a national style format with points similar to the national divisions to qualify you for our own NARRC Runnoffs similar to the national runnoffs only for the Norh Atlantic Regional Racing series. Bring back the NARRC Runnoffs in full force and make it what it was back in the late 80's. We have grown so far away from that and made it a year long championship series that most championships are decided long before the end. Almost every profesional sports Series (Basketball, Football, Baseball, Soccer, Olympics, Nascar, even SCCA National Series) uses a format that allows you to spend the "regular Season" to prove your stuff to qualify for the big show at the end... then you have to bring your A-game to the big event and show everyone you are the top guy/gal! Nascar and SCCA National Racing are the only 2 autoracing series that I can think if that do this and I think they are on the right track for keeping interest and excitement all the way to the very end.
I'll get something to you shortly... when do you need the feedback by?
Stephen
I like the total revamp idea - but remember one think in your sports analogy...most of your Pro Sports analogies have a playoff system and not a 'one and done' except football.
I think the double points at the Runoffs bridges the two concepts. It weights the RO's heavily but you don't NEED to win it to be the champ.
Rob Breault
BMW 328is #36
2008 Driving Impressions Pro-ITA Champion
2008 NARRC DP Champion
2009 NARRC ITR Champion
2009 Team DI Pro-ITR Champion
I don't have a dog in this fight, but alot of people loose sight of why they started in this sport. not to win championships but to have fun and learn about their cars and how to race them....dave
Couple of comments - first - I will absolutely write a summary of each NARRC race I'm at - but I need a "cold German to hand me a blond supermodel" :-)
Second - Greg? WTF? You not in this for the joy of competition? You get tired of winning? I love racing because of the competition. Otherwise I'd do PDX days... Come on man - that was the goofiest post I've seen from you. Don't care about a championship? - bullcrap.
I like the idea that every race is a NARRC race but you can only count so many races from so many tracks so that the championship cannot be won racing at NHMS or NJMP alone.
BenSpeed
#33 ITR Porsche 968
BigSpeed Racing
2013 ITR Pro IT Champion
2014 NE Division ITR Champion
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