2010 NARRC Series Feedback

[dpc]

Could the Regions stand on their own without any series ?????? dave

[Jeremy Billiel]

Could the Regions stand on their own without any series ?????? dave

yes NER could

[Dano77]

Read the rule book aka GCR section 6.2.2.a then get the 18 minutes somewhere else.

Just sayin,Dan

[Andy Bettencourt]

yes NER could

Do you realize 6 of the 10 NERRC events are also NARRC events? It also appears that the two NON NARRC doubles are the two lowest attended events of the season. Did you know the Lime Rock single (NARRC) outperformed the RAL single (non NARRC) by 50+ entires (based on electronic pre-reg on NESCCA.com) Not saying that NER couldn't survive because we know it could but I don't think we have a good grip on the infuence of a NARRC event. The short season format of ProIt is proving popular!

There is no doubt that the NARRC series needs a revamp. Hell, I think it should be run by an independent committee that runs a single event at each track (NHMS, LRP, WGI, POC, Thunderbolt, Lightning), gives out event winner stickers and killer year-end trophies...but that may be too extreme.

[Jeremy Billiel]

Do you realize 6 of the 10 NERRC events are also NARRC events? It also appears that the two NON NARRC doubles are the two lowest attended events of the season. Did you know the Lime Rock single (NARRC) outperformed the RAL single (non NARRC) by 50+ entires (based on electronic pre-reg on NESCCA.com) Not saying that NER couldn't survive because we know it could but I don't think we have a good grip on the infuence of a NARRC event. The short season format of ProIt is proving popular!

There is no doubt that the NARRC series needs a revamp. Hell, I think it should be run by an independent committee that runs a single event at each track (NHMS, LRP, WGI, POC, Thunderbolt, Lightning), gives out event winner stickers and killer year-end trophies...but that may be too extreme.

I hear you, but as a result of the lower operating costs at NHMS NER's breakeve point is lower than other tracks. So while NER could survive and change it up to keep the car counts coming, I also acknowledge that the last races have been poorly attended.

[kevin22]

yes NER could

Lets look at the last race for NER at NHMS.

Group1 9 classes total. ITA,ITr, ITb, etc 19 cars
group2 Formula cars 13 classes 8 cars
Group 3 T1, GT1, etc 10 classes 12 cars
Group 4 SM 1 class 25 cars
Group 5 SRF 3 clases 4 cars
group 6 combined
Group 7 SSM 6 claasses 16 cars
Group 8 FV 3 classes 8 cars

Seems like this weekend was a waste, Not sure where all the SRF cars were, but I am sure this race never stood a chance. 1 week after a NARRC race & 2 weeks before another NER racee at the same track.

[dickita15]

Kevin,
Jeremy is right, NER has a good core or drivers and could easily run its own series without Narrc. Last week’s event has been our weakest for years mainly because of the date in my opinion. We have been trying to move the date and it looks like next year we will be able to move it a little.
I believe even with last weekend being as weak as it was the region will break even. NER is pretty efficient and has an advantage with cost being spread out over many events.
Actually I need to correct myself, RAL is our weakest Regional event. The NHMS national is actually or weakest weekend.

[JLawton]

How about looking at it from the total opposite approach. EVERY race has NARRC points and only top 8 count? I do think there should be some sort of reward for racing at other tracks. You don't want someone to win the series just becasue he can kick ass at only one track.

I don't know if this is a good idea or not. All the suggestions I've heard have merit. Smarter people than I can hopefully figure it out. Truthfully? I don't think there is a silver bullet for this problem.

[Greg Amy]

Here's something to chew on: is there any reason to have any kind of series at all? I mean, fer krist's sake, this ain't no pro football here...I'd like to think we're all in it for the activity itself (the racing) not to pretend we're some kinda pro players...we're decisively not...

If you like that kinda stuff, then leave the "series championships" to Pro-IT and go pretend in that arena if you want. Don't try to bring in sponsorship, and money, and things like that; you'll just ruin the amateur racing (there are plenty of places to go play in if you want that). I'm personally in it for the individual weekend activities (racing, time with friends, playing with cars) and I don't give two shakes about any season "championships"... sorry if I sound rude, but I just see this whole series thing within amateur racing as posing (trust me, Roger ain't out there watching to see who wins). But I admit my viewpoint is dramatically skewed...

[JLawton]

Here's something to chew on: is there any reason to have any kind of series at all? I mean, fer krist's sake, this ain't no pro football here...I'd like to think we're all in it for the activity itself (the racing) not to pretend we're some kinda pro players...we're decisively not...

If you like that kinda stuff, then leave the "series championships" to Pro-IT and go pretend in that arena if you want. Don't try to bring in sponsorship, and money, and things like that; you'll just ruin the amateur racing (there are plenty of places to go play in if you want that). I'm personally in it for the individual weekend activities (racing, time with friends, playing with cars) and I don't give two shakes about any season "championships"... sorry if I sound rude, but I just see this whole series thing within amateur racing as posing (trust me, Roger ain't out there watching to see who wins). But I admit my viewpoint is dramatically skewed...

Says the man who has "NARRC Champion" in his signature!! LOL

[ner88]

Greg, it's been my question all along.

Look at last years NARRC series leaders and see how many aren't even running.
Racers are picking tracks and events that fit their schedule and offer the best bang for their buck.
NER like other regions are given dates from the track, that's it, only choice we get is do we want them. Refuse and someone else will get them and we probably won't have them offered to us next year.
NARRC gave NER's best dates away, I didn't get much choice in picking. Were their too many at NHMS in the past? Before NJ, probably no.
Now we, NER, have a double points NARRC event and NJ is running a PRO IT race against us!
Who's crying we need to work together?

[Greg Amy]

Says the man who has "NARRC Champion" in his signature!! LOL

Hey, I said my position was skewed, dood...but so is yours. This is not an attack on my close friend Jeff Lawton, but you've had this tunnel-vision for years now, and - as I have described to you in the past - it's detrimentally affected your enjoyment of racing over the last couple of years. In fact, observing you is one of the factors that has led me to this skewed conclusion...

This "series thing" makes you do stoopid things. I've actually had guys come up to me before a race and, effectively, ask me to lay down and not win so I won't "affect their championship", as if I were some interloper. My response, of course, is along the line of "sure, no prob, write me a check for the $2k it's costing me to be here, and not only will I lay down, I'll even block your competitor for you." The nasty look I get told me that they simply don't "get" it...

I can tell you from experience that this whole "championship thing" really skews your perspective, and goes a long way toward reducing your enjoyment of your hobby. I do this for the fun of it, for the enjoyment, and for the individual activity. I would - and do - spend a lot more time and effort to win individual races (IT Fest, ARRC, endurance events) than I would to win any "series championship". I'll take any plaudits you want to toss in my lap that may come my way, but I most certainly won't go out of my way to attain them, knowing what I know vis-a-vis what it does to your pursuit, your hobby, your attitude, your enjoyment. There are plenty of opportunities out there for winning series championships against top-notch competition, results that anyone in the sport should and would be proud of. Notice, of course, that they're expensive; that's the nature of the beast...

Go for it, Jeffy. And when you finally win one - and you will - come talk to me about how it was so worth it to you in the end.

GA