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**sedivracer** · 07-20-2009, 01:02 PM

Did anyone else see the ITA e30 BMW that was outrunnig ITS and ITR cars on the straights last weekend?

**RexRacer19** · 07-20-2009, 01:30 PM

What were his lap times? What is the lap record?

**lateapex911** · 07-20-2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by sedivracer

Did anyone else see the ITA e30 BMW that was outrunnig ITS and ITR cars on the straights last weekend?

And you are suggesting the car, driven by Chuck Badder is....?????

Do you know anything about the car? The size of teh engine? The power curve? The torque to the wheels? The gearing?

or your name?

**JeffYoung** · 07-20-2009, 01:33 PM

Chuck's a good driver with a well built car. He ran 43/44s looks like, and the track record is a 42 flat.

I've run against Chuck in my S car and Ron's 260z.....he's got good handling and brakes, but gives up some ground to the best S cars at the end of the long straights, as he should. I thought he and Tom Hoppe's car were pretty rough "equals," and yes they are very good and yes they are good enough to beat most S cars.

**lateapex911** · 07-20-2009, 01:35 PM

Even a 44 is impressive in that (presumed) heat. Should be interesting come November!

**DavidM** · 07-20-2009, 01:36 PM

I wasn't there, but that's Chuck Baader. The car has some serious torque, but Chuck's also a hell of a driver. Hoppe would've been right there with him in his Integra if he didn't bust his subframe.

David

**JLawton** · 07-20-2009, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by sedivracer

Did anyone else see the ITA e30 BMW that was outrunnig ITS and ITR cars on the straights last weekend?

That's some tough insinuations for an anonymous first post..........

.

**RexRacer19** · 07-20-2009, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by lateapex911

Even a 44 is impressive in that (presumed) heat. Should be interesting come November!

Jake, it was nice and in the mid-80s this weekend. A pleasant surprise.

**Andy Bettencourt** · 07-20-2009, 02:06 PM

Classic.

**trhoppe** · 07-20-2009, 02:07 PM

Yea, pretty bad anonymous first post.

a) Chuck's car doesn't outrun anyone on "the straights". Maybe "out of the corners".
b) If I ever DO see Chuck's car outrun mine starting with the middle of the straight, I'll be the first to kick him in the nuts

44s in the heat are right where ITA should be. The 43.6 in the Saturday race though was VERY VERY impressive considering thats 0.3 faster then Chuck ran at the ARRC last year and it was damn toasty during that race. Maybe he got a draft that lap or something, not sure. A 43.7 in the nice early morning qualifying Sunday, thats right on pace. I qualified at a 42.8 last year in the cool morning, but could only do a mid 44 in the heat.

Considering tweaking to everyone's car, we should all be around the track record of a 42.0 during qualifying for the 2009 ARRC.

Last but not least, Chuck belongs to a select group of fast ITA cars, that actually comes to the ARRC with the intent of winning/podium. When that happens, everyone finds out everything about your motor. That right there is pretty much the main reason I can run with Chuck and say "yup, if his car is that fast, its legal, cause otherwise, he wouldn't be trying to win the damn ARRC with it"

-Tom

**Andy Bettencourt** · 07-20-2009, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by trhoppe

Yea, pretty bad anonymous first post.

a) Chuck's car doesn't outrun anyone on "the straights". Maybe "out of the corners".
b) If I ever DO see Chuck's car outrun mine starting with the middle of the straight, I'll be the first to kick him in the nuts

44s in the heat are right where ITA should be. The 43.6 in the Saturday race though was VERY VERY impressive considering thats 0.3 faster then Chuck ran at the ARRC last year and it was damn toasty during that race. Maybe he got a draft that lap or something, not sure. A 43.7 in the nice early morning qualifying Sunday, thats right on pace. I qualified at a 42.8 last year in the cool morning, but could only do a mid 44 in the heat.

Considering tweaking to everyone's car, we should all be around the track record of a 42.0 during qualifying for the 2009 ARRC.

Last but not least, Chuck belongs to a select group of fast ITA cars, that actually comes to the ARRC with the intent of winning/podium. When that happens, everyone finds out everything about your motor. That right there is pretty much the main reason I can run with Chuck and say "yup, if his car is that fast, its legal, cause otherwise, he wouldn't be trying to win the damn ARRC with it"

-Tom

Freakin' GREAT post.

**JLawton** · 07-20-2009, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by trhoppe

, Chuck belongs to a select group of fast ITA cars, that actually comes to the ARRC
-Tom

Sounds like yer callin's some guys out Tom!!! LOL

**chuck baader** · 07-20-2009, 02:34 PM

Thanks, Tom, you are right about the draft...lucky to get behind two "S" cars running side by side coming off T7..one hell of a draft. Looked at my TrackMate at 43.7 and said "damn" . BTW, the best lap I have run at RA is a 42.8 on my TrackMate...that was in the cool, though.

And, no, I was not outrunning them on the straights...I could pull most cars off T7 until the bridge, then most everyone pulls me from there to T10a. I just wave bye/bye to the fast "S" cars....can't even stay close to the draft.

I really wanted the rubber match with Hoppe. I beat him at Barber, he beat me at RR...this was to be the rubber match. Can't count the last ARRC as he did not finish. Now we'll have to do it at Barber

Chuck

**lateapex911** · 07-20-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by JLawton

Sounds like yer callin's some guys out Tom!!! LOL

Yea, it never ceases to amaze me how many DON"T go to the ARRC, and they live So much closer to many of us who drag our sorry asses there. I mean, it's THE event to measure yourself. We hear the reasons. (long season, money's gone. Answer, start later, plan for it) Or, they have issues with the Atlanta region (heard that a few times form a couple sources, sigh, get over it), etc, etc,...There ARE some legit reasons, and the proximity of the 13 hour schedule-wise is a big one.

But, it seems to me, if you live close, and you're NOT there, it's kinda shady, like you just don't want to go to an important race and come in 10th instead of your usual weak field 3rd, or you're worried about the tech shed.

I know that's harsh, and I don't automatically think that about everyone, but, there are definately some that are conspicuosly absent.

**lateapex911** · 07-20-2009, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by chuck baader

I really wanted the rubber match with Hoppe. I beat him at Barber, he beat me at RR...this was to be the rubber match. Can't count the last ARRC as he did not finish. Now we'll have to do it at the ARRCs

Chuck

right??

**JeffYoung** · 07-20-2009, 02:46 PM

Since I've never been, I am going to jump in and say that for us in NCR, we have Goblins Go the last weekend in October, the 13 hour and then (if we choose to go) the ARRC.

That's just too much in a row for us, and has been the prime (if not only) reason not to go to the ARRC.

I'll be there at some point. Each year I say I won't run the 13 hour, and each year an opporutnity to do so come up and I do that. Most of the NCR guys -- me, Ron, Steve E., Ricky T., etc. -- do that.

If the ARRC could be pushed back, or the 13 hour up, that would be a big deal for all of us in getting there more often.

Originally Posted by lateapex911

Yea, it never ceases to amaze me how many DON"T go to the ARRC, and they live So much closer to many of us who drag our sorry asses there. I mean, it's THE event to measure yourself. We hear the reasons. (long season, money's gone. Answer, start later, plan for it) Or, they have issues with the Atlanta region (heard that a few times form a couple sources, sigh, get over it), etc, etc,...There ARE some legit reasons, and the proximity of the 13 hour schedule-wise is a big one.

But, it seems to me, if you live close, and you're NOT there, it's kinda shady, like you just don't want to go to an important race and come in 10th instead of your usual weak field 3rd, or you're worried about the tech shed.

I know that's harsh, and I don't automatically think that about everyone, but, there are definately some that are conspicuosly absent.

**Ron** · 07-20-2009, 02:52 PM

If we can survive the 13 hour I will run the Mustang this year for the "shutup and race" factor.

**gran racing** · 07-20-2009, 03:13 PM

I mean, it's THE event to measure yourself. We hear the reasons. (long season, money's gone. Answer, start later, plan for it)

It an event to measure yourself. Especially if we could get nice tear downs at the NARRC runoffs, that isn't too shabby especially in some classes. I loved the track and will be down there again.

**shwah** · 07-20-2009, 03:17 PM

Yeah but how do we know it didn't 'sound like an ITS car'? That right there is irrefutable evidence. :P

https://improvedtouring.com...16&postcount=9

**Ron Earp** · 07-20-2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by JeffYoung

Since I've never been, I am going to jump in and say that for us in NCR, we have Goblins Go the last weekend in October, the 13 hour and then (if we choose to go) the ARRC.

That's just too much in a row for us, and has been the prime (if not only) reason not to go to the ARRC.

If the ARRC could be pushed back, or the 13 hour up, that would be a big deal for all of us in getting there more often.

Exactly right. But this year it is a bit worse.

The SARRC Championship is on Oct 10-11 at Roebling Road. We have one weekend free, then Oct 24-25 is the 2010 SARRC kickoff at VIR, and the weekend following Oct 30-31 we have the 13 Hour at VIR. For those of us who live in the SE racing starts early in the year and goes late. The ARRC is but another event in a schedule that seemingly gets bunched up too much at the beginning and ending of the season.

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