is a mk2 16v competitive?

[mgyip]

I have a 2.0 that I am going to build but, is it worth the 200lbs for the little power added?

In theory, the 2.0l 16v used CIS-E Moronic which should be more tunable than CIS-E. My car is roughly at the 2.0L 16v weight (well, it used to be) and it didn't seem to make the car significantly faster or slower with that add'l weight.

[jmracer17]

Ok. Well. Put in for a review of the car to the crb so hope they can make something of it. I love the car and love to drive (which Is why we all are out here for, right?). Hope they can do something to make it a little more competitive in the class, or how ever they do. I just want to race against people with "equal cars". I know that will never happen but we can all dream right?

[VWralley]

Just starting my build up of an EP/ITA gti, planning on running the 2L with cis-M. My region doesn't seem to be nearly as hardcore so hopefully i'll be able to run mid pack. Just looking for some track time for a while haha

[shwah]

I will just reiterate that IMO the 1.8 CIS-E car is the more competitive choice. That is a lot of weight on little front brakes, and the CIS-E is much easier to tune right.

[VWralley]

what would be the weight difference between the 2 engine choices? Will probably be running EP here but would like to have the option to run ITA to maximize track time. Not looking to be nationally competetive or anything, just looking to get on the track and do some racing as finances permit...

personally i have had a hell of a time working with cis-e compared to the motornic setup. If i had my choice it would be 'squirted but trying to build something that fits into our regional classes haha!

[shwah]

The EP classification is for the 1.8 motor as well. An ITA car will by wayyyy out clased in EP though. That is a Level 1 prep = any cam, any head porting, convert to solid shim under bucket lifters, manifold porting, any CR, pistons, rods, crank. To be competitive there you would want something north of 220 crank hp. If the goal is track time I totally understand, but for a better shot at dual purpose a 1.8 8v in ITB and Level 2 prep HP might be a better choice.

A potentiometer (adjustable resistor), a normally closed relay and some wires are all it takes to setup CIS-E so you can turn a knob while on the dyno to set the AFR wherever you like. It does not get much more simple. Remove the knock box, and trigger the ignition module straight from the hall sender to 'pin' the timing right where you want it, and go racing.

The 2 liter is 2475#, the 1.8 2220# for the GTI 16V in ITA. You can definitely make the lower weight. I have 100# bolted to the floor of my 2280# ITB car, and have to watch fuel levels to make weight.

[VWralley]

Oh i think you are thinking i meant E Prepared? I'm speaking of E Production, which is very similar in prep to the IT classes (ICSCC up here)

i calculated the race weights for EP and it is 2412 w/ 2L and 2286 w/ the 1.8. The top EP car in the region is a 16v gti, and he also runs in the front of the group. My goal would be to be able to come in to the group and run somewhere in the middle and develop the car from there as i get more time in the drivers seat.

I have a 2L block and head, the block has a few rally events on it after a fresh rebuild and the head has less than 1500mi on it. So for me to build a 1.8 to similar condition would run me a whole lot more dough. The advice is VERY much appreciated though thank you!