Wheel width, ITB, again

[rlward]

I dito thar bill, no advance warning. Not that ITB is bad, But I was very vocal about th change.

I vote 7" accross the board or open it up for fitment. I f you goi to 7 for all, I wont be a burden if you get reclassed.

[Andy Bettencourt]

And Edmunds shows 2771 for an '04 Golf 2-dr GL and 2743 for an '04 NB GL. So now you're looking at a 601# loss for the Golf and a 573# loss for the NB.

If anything Andy, that's making a case for all of them to be in ITC.

I am not going to get into a pissing match with you Bill but the first year the NB was classed is year that I grabbed for the GIII for weight. Unless that number is not valid for some reason, I believe in the classing as is. Actually, since the cars are essentially the same sans bodywork, it give VW guys two legit choices for a class.

What I beleive it really means is that people either aren't building cars for ITC, don't desire the NB as a car and/or all of the above - don't like heavy racecars. Either way, none are getting built. And that doesn't make it unique by any means in any class. If someone really wanted to race one, they can build one. Prove to us that it CAN make ITB weight and poof, it's in ITB - we were wrong. If it can't make weight, you have an ITC car that is better suited to be competitive in class and you still have the NB you wanted to build. Nobody loses.

[Bill Miller]

I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest w/ you Andy. What I'm trying to figure out, is why a Mk IV Golf is in ITB, when it starts out heavier than a New Beetle, which is in ITC. I could care less about the Mk III Golf.

[rlward]

I this normal? only 67 votes? I would think more would have voted than this. Maybe this isn't the right venue.

[Knestis]

That's 67 votes, not 67 voters, since respondents can vote more than once.

Remember too that, while this isn't an official SCCA venue, it's about the best way the ITAC has to take the pulse of the membership. By comparison, an official request for member input in Fastrack typically wouldn't get anything like this much response.

K

[rlward]

K-
Sad....but the same for politics....uh oh don't get me going there!!!!
Thanks for your help and comments. what next? How do I get the SCCA to look at this? I already wrote a letter a month or 2 ago.

[lateapex911]

That is how you get the SCCA to look at it. You write the letter, the committee reviews it, weighs in, and takes action. That action could be a positive one and a new rule, or a possible action that goes out for member input, or a non action...and all are just recommendations to the CRB. The CRB reviews the committees thoughts and recommendation, and supports or rejects it. Certain items require BoD approval. Then the result gets published.

With meeting agendas being chock full, and the need to navigate through several layers, items can take a while to percolate completely.

[gran racing]

I this normal? only 67 votes?

It's because this poll doesn't really matter. I haven't voted but you already know how I feel.

[AE86ITA]

My point is the lack of availability of 15x6 wheels and by that it invalidate the spirit of the category of a cheap/low budget racing.
I understand that everyone can install the parts that his/her budget allow but to impose a $1000.00+ expense in wheels is absurd.
Either 15x6.5" or 15x7.0" for ITB or ITC.

[Greg Amy]

Dude, you realize that conversation was from nearly 3-1/2 years ago...right?

ITB wheel sizes are not going to change.

[AE86ITA]

Thanks Greg:
I understand but the point still a valid one that deserves continuous fighting for.

[gran racing]

Errr, yeah. This would piss off a LOT of existing SCCA customers.

Or maybe a deal - use 7" wide rims with a 300 weight adder.

[Chip42]

If the fitment is 4x100 then the question has been answered. TrackSpeed Motorsports and Phils Tire service teamed up to make a 15x6 wheel available for ITB/C guys. Its called the CR6, available in flat black or silver, and costs $115 each. Phil's add is in the classified section of this forum and you can contact me @ [email protected] or 407-617-7918. We'd be glad to help.

[AE86ITA]

If the fitment is 4x100 then the question has been answered. TrackSpeed Motorsports and Phils Tire service teamed up to make a 15x6 wheel available for ITB/C guys. Its called the CR6, available in flat black or silver, and costs $115 each. Phil's add is in the classified section of this forum and you can contact me @ [email protected] or 407-617-7918. We'd be glad to help.

4-114.3 with 10mm offset

[Knestis]

The CR6 option demonstrates that this isn't a catagory-wide issue, and the rules can't make every car make/model option easy or affordable.

K

[Chip42]

Try retrosport wheels. They have a lot of 4 on 114.3 fitments in 15x6.

Seriously, that fitment is the least troublesome in itb.

[lawtonglenn]

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[philstireservice]

4-114.3 with 10mm offset

There are no more wheels on the planet that are 4x114.3.....much less with a 10mm offset...sheeesh !!

[gran racing]

After you buy several sets of wheels, the ITAC will then approve 7" wide wheels. That's really not far off what this change would do for others.

[AE86ITA]

Our car is a 1985 Toyota Corolla GTS (aka AE86). We have used the Konig Rewind in 15x7 4-114.3 with 0mm offset (15.2Lbs ea) while in ITA. The Retrosport wheels look great but the 15x6 weight is around 15Lbs.