June fastrack is up

[dickita15]

http://www.scca.org/documents/Fastrack/09/06/09-fastrack-june.pdf

WHAT DO YOU THINK?
The CRB welcomes comments from the IT community about whether to allow AWD cars in the IT classes.

[Ed Funk]

NO!!

Just more BS for the ITAC to think about. How can they be classed fairly? Or will we have more classes (just what we need!---more effin' classes!, ITB 4x4 anyone?)

Just so there's no confusion, I'm against it!

[joeg]

Probably not going to be much choice down the road, given the Subaru's and Evo's Touring inclusion.

They do not dominate there, so some kind of equivalency is possible...

Not enthused about this, but I can see it coming.

[Ron Earp]

WHAT DO YOU THINK?
The CRB welcomes comments from the IT community about whether to allow AWD cars in the IT classes.

Sooner or later IT will have to include forced induction and AWD. The percentage of these cars in the enthusiast market has continued to grow over the years. With new fuel economy mandates coming down the pipe you can bet that manufactures will turn to small displacement supercharged and turbocharged engines. We can't race 35 year old cars for the next 30 years can we? Or maybe we can, we are the SCCA.

In any event, I hope I live to see the SCCA adopt newer (not really newer, but new to the SCCA) technology in the IT classes.

[JeffYoung]

I am (personally) in favor of allowing AWD cars, but not turbo cars in IT. The recurring issue with AWD cars is their "dominance" in the wet. My view is this is just another positive/negative attribute for a particular model. All IT cars have pluses and minuses, the very few AWD N/A cars that will be eligible will be the same.

Interested in thoughts from membership.

[Ron Earp]

All IT cars have pluses and minuses, the very few AWD N/A cars that will be eligible will be the same.

Interested in thoughts from membership.

There are relatively few AWD/non-turbo cars. Therefore I think the impact on IT would be minimal at best. But it'd be a good place to start and try the cars out.

As I recall someone recently asked the ITAC to class a NA AWD car. I think the response was "No."

[gran racing]

forced induction and AWD.

But there's a difference between these two. I'd sure want it to get approved if I lived in Seattle.

[Andy Bettencourt]

With the open ECU and exhuast rules, turbo cars become monsters. Welcome to the world of SIR's.

[Ron Earp]

With the open ECU and exhuast rules, turbo cars become monsters. Welcome to the world of SIR's.

Welcome. If the turbo AWD need SIRs then so be it. Since these cars are fitting into an existing framework of cars they can be used to try out SIRs.

[Andy Bettencourt]

But I don't think turbo cars would fit into existing framework. Remember, it ain't stock hp that is the number that is multiplied by the target pw/weight of each class, it's the estimated power in IT trim. With the legal IT mods, these numbers skyrocket - leading to weights that are redonkulously heavy.

[RacerBill]

I have to go along with Ron. I believe that at some time, we will have to consider AWD and forced induction. Both have pros and cons. I believe that forced induction is allowed in other SCCA classes, so how is that managed today?

[Andy Bettencourt]

I have to go along with Ron. I believe that at some time, we will have to consider AWD and forced induction. Both have pros and cons. I believe that forced induction is allowed in other SCCA classes, so how is that managed today?

No open ECU's and stock exhausts.

Take a look at ANY series that allows them. They win right away and have to be brought back via comp adjustment. We don't do that. The STi's won T2 in there first year at the Runoffs...in the dry. Add the wet and it (as someone who drove one once said) 'was so easy, it was like I was cheating'.

[jhooten]

Finally I have another option besides GT2. The Supra goes to EP!

I doubt I will have it ready for this weekend though.

[lawtonglenn]

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I think the main problem will be that the GCR 9.1.3.D.9.L will have to be changed from:


"...All ballast shall be located in the front passenger footwell..."

to

"...All ballast shall be located wherever the hell you can fit all of it...."

[shwah]

The comment that they are researching the belt life issue made on page 9 caught my eye.

[Spinnetti]

http://www.scca.org/documents/Fastrack/09/06/09-fastrack-june.pdf

WHAT DO YOU THINK?
The CRB welcomes comments from the IT community about whether to allow AWD cars in the IT classes.

Of course! SCCA can only keep their head in the sand for so long. Just no new classes please, and of course, it will probably take some fiddling as I doubt the current classing/weight methods would work as is.

[ericblois]

i do think awd and forced induction is not far away. i know ive had some good track day runs with stock powered wrx wagon that had R compunds and coil overs we were pretty even down the straights he had me by a little and though the corners i had him a little with my ITA car. i could think of at least one class for above ITR, one that might include 95-99 bmw M3's or some NA 911's from mid 90s mustang cobras 93-02 yes that 3 different body stlye mustangs

[Knestis]

I beat a Mitsu Evo (whatthehell) in the rain soaked VIR NASA enduro a couple years ago. What-evah.

I'll start the argument again that we should create ITX - above ITR, catering to AWD turbocars and whatever other gnarly stuff we want to put in there. Just to be different, make the ENTIRE CLASS breath through the same size hole. Or use a spec muffler to restrict flow on that end.

K

[lawtonglenn]

...we should create ITX - above ITR, catering to AWD turbocars and whatever other gnarly stuff we want to put in there....

isn't that exactly what ITE should be?

[JoshS]

isn't that exactly what ITE should be?

Out here in SFR, our very popular ITE class has wide-open rules. Basically, you start with a street car, and stay on DOT tires, and otherwise, ANYTHING GOES.

I think the proposal here would be to keep modifications within IT limits. I don't think most ITE rulesets have such a limitation. (Yes, it's a pet peeve of mind that ITE starts wtih "IT").