Spec Tire For Proit Series??

[ekim952522000]

This is just my opinion but I think going to a spec tire is a HORRIBLE idea with no positives that I can think of. Nothing is spec in IT so no spec tires.

Isn't better advertising for Hoosier to win in a open tire class anyway.

Not to mention you would be making it so guys could not just hop in for one or two races a year on the normal tire they run.

<---Sorry really passionate about this after the whole Honda Challenge - NASA TOYO RA-1/R888 disaster and the following internet drama.

[Robert Zecca]

You guys make excellent points and this is why we discuss things. I believe at this point to just approach tire companies for contingency money and BAG the idea of a spec tire. It is not fair to the few who can not run the series and again we must think down the road to keep costs down and be affordable to the masses. We have the best competitive racing period the way things are using the present tires. I do not see any advantages or disadvantages on the track.

Lets not ruffle feathers and see if tire companies will give us prize monies.

[Robert Zecca]

You guys make excellent points and this is why we discuss things. I believe at this point to just approach tire companies for contingency money and BAG the idea of a spec tire. It is not fair to the few who can not run the series and again we must think down the road to keep costs down and be affordable to the masses. We have the best competitive racing period the way things are using the present tires. I do not see any advantages or disadvantages on the track.

Lets not ruffle feathers and see if tire companies will give us prize monies.

[ekim952522000]

You guys make excellent points and this is why we discuss things. I believe at this point to just approach tire companies for contingency money and BAG the idea of a spec tire. It is not fair to the few who can not run the series and again we must think down the road to keep costs down and be affordable to the masses. We have the best competitive racing period the way things are using the present tires. I do not see any advantages or disadvantages on the track.

Lets not ruffle feathers and see if tire companies will give us prize monies.

[gran racing]

Bob and Darrell, I have to say that you guys have really impressed me with the efforts being put into this series. Nice job.

[Knestis]

No dog in the fight but that's a great answer based on my experiences.

K

[spnkzss]

To kinda side track, I keep hearing this spec tire thing proposed to "save money". How does this save money? The people that want to win are going to always run a set of "x" heat cycled tires because the "x"th heat cycle is the fastest.

[ekim952522000]

To kinda side track, I keep hearing this spec tire thing proposed to "save money". How does this save money? The people that want to win are going to always run a set of "x" heat cycled tires because the "x"th heat cycle is the fastest.

To me it is similar to the Remote Reservoir shock thing, thinking that rules are going to limit costs. Falls into the same category as Street Touring in Auto crossing when they made the 140 tread wear rule hoping to keep costs down, and now manufactures make expensive sticky 140 tread wear tires that a lot of time cost more then R compounds and are shaved to last just as long.

[RacerBowie]

You guys make excellent points and this is why we discuss things. I believe at this point to just approach tire companies for contingency money and BAG the idea of a spec tire. It is not fair to the few who can not run the series and again we must think down the road to keep costs down and be affordable to the masses. We have the best competitive racing period the way things are using the present tires. I do not see any advantages or disadvantages on the track.

Lets not ruffle feathers and see if tire companies will give us prize monies.

I'm an outsider here, and hell would basically have to freeze over for me to be able to run a NE Pro IT race, but BRAVO for making this decision, and listening to your racers.

More and more event organizers are starting to realize just how important listening to what we the racers want really is, and it is making our little corner of the sport a better place.

[dickita15]

What are Hoosier Cup tires?

[ekim952522000]

What are Hoosier Cup tires?

My guess would be the grand-am tires.

[StephenB]

Yes they are the GrandAm tires. Never used or scene them but from what I have heard they are a bit harder and made to last longer. Someone else will no more but that is the topside of the difference as I understand it.

Stephen

[ekim952522000]

Yes they are the GrandAm tires. Never used or scene them but from what I have heard they are a bit harder and made to last longer. Someone else will no more but that is the topside of the difference as I understand it.

Stephen

From the guys I have talked to that ran grand-am, I heard the tires make Toyo's seem like Hoosier R6's

[trhoppe]

Great idea to not have spec tires. Worst idea ever. If a tire is better then all others, it will become the "spec" tire anyways.

What you need to do is approach for more contingency/prizes. Nice job!

[raffaelli]

Yes they are the GrandAm tires. Never used or scene them but from what I have heard they are a bit harder and made to last longer. Someone else will no more but that is the topside of the difference as I understand it.

Stephen

I have them for my E46 M3 for DE. Yes, they are harder, traction is not as good as 'regular' Hoosiers. But my experience may be tempered since I buy them already race used. 18" for sure, 245 I think.

[PsychoRallye]

I would still love to see Hoosier offer some real discounts on the tires for adverts on the car, I'd love to run hoosiers but they aren't cheap and for that money I might as well spend a little more and get the Goodyears so....

[Mark Gregory]

The idea is to cut cost. The study would be to find out what cars realy need new tires every race and what cars can run for longer on old rubber. front wheel drive cars may use more fronts than rears if they have the same alocation as a rear wheel drive car thay may have an advantage by only having to replace the fronts more often. Could your car go all season - ten races on three sets of tires ? - when i ran the ITA Golf in 2000 we only purchased new front and put worn fronts on the rear. Thing about this average cost of tires $1000 mounted and balanced. three sets $3000 ten races. cost for tires per race $300. In 2005 I ran 14 NARRC races with three sets of tires and the third set was for the runoff at Lime rock. I did a 1.017 at Lime rock on tires that had done 4 race weekends. I think I was on the front row next to Nick with a set of 3 race tires in june of that year. We have learned from our endurance racing that tires can go much longer than you think without a great loss of performance at the 24 hour race we ran a set of tires ( I will keep the name of the tire for now) for 8 hours with little or no performance loss . I agree that all cars are different that is why it would take a little work to figure it out but the goal is to reduce racing cost and we all know that tires are on of our biggest expences.

[tom_sprecher]

I believe at this point to just approach tire companies for contingency money and BAG the idea of a spec tire....Lets not ruffle feathers and see if tire companies will give us prize monies.

This is how we have been doing it for years in the South. Hoosier provides free tires based on how you placed in a certain size field or sponsorship $$$ depending on what series we are talking about. The usual conditions is you must win on Hoosiers or all the cars running the series must display stickers.

We do have a spec tire for IT7 (Toyo RA1), but it is cheaper that a Hoosier and lasts much longer (general consensus).

What you describe above is not what I consider a "spec" tire rule. To me it is more a sweetheart deal for Hoosier and the race winners. How does the average racer benefit?

[Mark Gregory]

Please do not advocate a spec tire. Let the tire companies compete for our buisness, this may bring the price down. What we sould do is limit the number of tires per car per season. Of course we know a new tire has the best performance but a good race tire will last much longer than you think and will usualy stabilize after a couple of heat cycles so the performance is consistant. The limiting of sets of tires used per season would add a very interesting dynamic to the race / qualifying strategy for the championship. The limiting if number of tires would even the playing field a little and make it more affordable to the budget racer to compete in the PRO serise. I would be pleased to be involve with a study to select the " right tire " the number of tires and a set of rules that could be enforced to control the number of tires used.

[StephenB]

I don't think that limiting tires will work for our type of racing. I think it would be great for similar chasis... like prototype Rolex cars or other series where the cars have similar HP, and weights, even FWD vs. RWD. I think the chasis differences in IT is to great and tire wear is to drastically different.

Stephen