Spec Tire For Proit Series??

[spnkzss]

To kinda side track, I keep hearing this spec tire thing proposed to "save money". How does this save money? The people that want to win are going to always run a set of "x" heat cycled tires because the "x"th heat cycle is the fastest.

[ekim952522000]

To kinda side track, I keep hearing this spec tire thing proposed to "save money". How does this save money? The people that want to win are going to always run a set of "x" heat cycled tires because the "x"th heat cycle is the fastest.

To me it is similar to the Remote Reservoir shock thing, thinking that rules are going to limit costs. Falls into the same category as Street Touring in Auto crossing when they made the 140 tread wear rule hoping to keep costs down, and now manufactures make expensive sticky 140 tread wear tires that a lot of time cost more then R compounds and are shaved to last just as long.

[dickita15]

What are Hoosier Cup tires?

[ekim952522000]

What are Hoosier Cup tires?

My guess would be the grand-am tires.

[StephenB]

Yes they are the GrandAm tires. Never used or scene them but from what I have heard they are a bit harder and made to last longer. Someone else will no more but that is the topside of the difference as I understand it.

Stephen

[ekim952522000]

Yes they are the GrandAm tires. Never used or scene them but from what I have heard they are a bit harder and made to last longer. Someone else will no more but that is the topside of the difference as I understand it.

Stephen

From the guys I have talked to that ran grand-am, I heard the tires make Toyo's seem like Hoosier R6's

[trhoppe]

Great idea to not have spec tires. Worst idea ever. If a tire is better then all others, it will become the "spec" tire anyways.

What you need to do is approach for more contingency/prizes. Nice job!

[lateapex911]

Yea, there's much grumbling form the guys who've run on IT Hoosiers and the Cup Hoosiers...not a lot of love for the Cup tires.

Bob, I'll echo the comments, thanks for listening..and being open minded. Some of the yahoos that post here have some good insight!

[Andy Bettencourt]

I am not sure they make the Cup tire in less than a 17" diameter.

Invite the companied to put up special contingencies for running their brand. Simple. As soon as you require everyone to run a specific tire, you kill the entries that don't run them and you do not backfill them with anyone.

[rthiele]

How about a tire distributor as a partner for the series? Tire Rack sponsors BMWCCA Clubracing for example.

[raffaelli]

Yes they are the GrandAm tires. Never used or scene them but from what I have heard they are a bit harder and made to last longer. Someone else will no more but that is the topside of the difference as I understand it.

Stephen

I have them for my E46 M3 for DE. Yes, they are harder, traction is not as good as 'regular' Hoosiers. But my experience may be tempered since I buy them already race used. 18" for sure, 245 I think.

[philstireservice]

How about a tire distributor as a partner for the series? Tire Rack sponsors BMWCCA Clubracing for example.

If you're going to do this make sure the company does the trackside service for your series.

[gran racing]

You offering Phil?

[philstireservice]

Unfortunately we are not able to attend all the events, and if I was, I would want an exclusive !!!

[DaveITB1]

Smarty will be trackside for the 2009 ProIT Series Drivers.

http://www.northeastracingtire.com/Home.html

[tom_sprecher]

I believe at this point to just approach tire companies for contingency money and BAG the idea of a spec tire....Lets not ruffle feathers and see if tire companies will give us prize monies.

This is how we have been doing it for years in the South. Hoosier provides free tires based on how you placed in a certain size field or sponsorship $$$ depending on what series we are talking about. The usual conditions is you must win on Hoosiers or all the cars running the series must display stickers.

We do have a spec tire for IT7 (Toyo RA1), but it is cheaper that a Hoosier and lasts much longer (general consensus).

What you describe above is not what I consider a "spec" tire rule. To me it is more a sweetheart deal for Hoosier and the race winners. How does the average racer benefit?

[Mark Gregory]

Please do not advocate a spec tire. Let the tire companies compete for our buisness, this may bring the price down. What we sould do is limit the number of tires per car per season. Of course we know a new tire has the best performance but a good race tire will last much longer than you think and will usualy stabilize after a couple of heat cycles so the performance is consistant. The limiting of sets of tires used per season would add a very interesting dynamic to the race / qualifying strategy for the championship. The limiting if number of tires would even the playing field a little and make it more affordable to the budget racer to compete in the PRO serise. I would be pleased to be involve with a study to select the " right tire " the number of tires and a set of rules that could be enforced to control the number of tires used.

[PsychoRallye]

I would still love to see Hoosier offer some real discounts on the tires for adverts on the car, I'd love to run hoosiers but they aren't cheap and for that money I might as well spend a little more and get the Goodyears so....

[StephenB]

I don't think that limiting tires will work for our type of racing. I think it would be great for similar chasis... like prototype Rolex cars or other series where the cars have similar HP, and weights, even FWD vs. RWD. I think the chasis differences in IT is to great and tire wear is to drastically different.

Stephen

[gran racing]

Mark, I like the concept but what Stephen said is spot on. For example, the MR2 would absolutely clean house in ITB as they are so easy on tires. I do like the ideas being discussed.