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    Default May 2009 Fastrack - It's the end of the world as we know it

    And I feel fine!

    http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...k-may-club.pdf

    Glad to see the Pony cars in the category!
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    I know what I am building!

    3. Classify the Ford Mustang GT (94-95) in ITR, p. 344, as follows:

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    Re: the Golf II "weight is correct," Chris S. has been patient enough with the ITAC, he deserves to hear that he should interpret that as meaning we generally perceive inconsistencies in ITB to be AROUND that car - not WITH that car.

    Look for future news for details...

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    OMG! OMG! Pony cars are coming....

    Did you guys read about Charles Espenlaub doing donuts after the enduro? What an idiot... This is not Pro racing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerBowie View Post
    And I feel fine!

    http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...k-may-club.pdf

    Glad to see the Pony cars in the category!
    mmmmmm.... sub-$1k donor cars

    this could be just what ITR needs to get going - or just what it will take to kill it...either way it's going to be interesting to watch.
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    3330?! ouch! damn...

    a random and completely subjective 100 lbs adder for a car that already can't handle, can't stop and can't breath past 5000 RPM!?

    that's just great! So much for that idea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRallo View Post
    3330?! ouch! damn...

    a random and completely subjective 100 lbs adder for a car that already can't handle, can't stop and can't breath past 5000 RPM!?

    that's just great! So much for that idea...
    I don't know 3330 lbs seems like a fair number to me.

    Look how many other ITR cars are north of 3000 lbs and the power, brakes, etc... These feel about right, but only time will tell. Remember just how easy it is to make a lot of power out of the 5.0L's.
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    Why did they classify the 94-95 mustang with better brakes amoung other improvements lighter then than the 89-93? I mean it only has an inch longer wheel base. I think it is a good addition to the class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quadzjr View Post
    Why did they classify the 94-95 mustang with better brakes amoung other improvements lighter then than the 89-93? I mean it only has an inch longer wheel base. I think it is a good addition to the class.
    225hp for the early car vs. 215hp for the later version.
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    The cars were run through the process with their stock hp ratings and standard IT gains. Some have more power stock, they get more weight in IT. It might not be "right" to everyone but at least it is using a process. I think when the final discussion was had a torque addition was given to all of them as well.

    I think it is a good thing for ITR. While the cars might not be the best choices for the class at least people now have that choice.

    And I can change my avatar...

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    OUCH!!! No one notice the fuel cell requirement? No more non FIA cells. Here comes a 1k expenditure before the ARRC!! Chuck
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    Chuck, look at page 6 -- I think IT, SS and SM are still excluded from complying with the FIA fuel cell rules.
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    Victory donuts....what's next? Champaign spraying in impound?

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    I welcome the competition from the older V-8 pony cars. My V6 is in their stock HP range plus I have a lower weight. Should be good competition and add an American flavor to a class that in my opinion is too German, and needs desperately to grow. ITR could be A Sedan Lite...

    Please don't whine about any sacred IT philosophies/tenets/traditions/etc. being compromised by the inclusion of V8s. Times and circumstances change, which necessitates that people change their ways of thinking. Let's wait and see how it all shakes out before we start any bitching...
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    Thanks, Jeff....what I get for not reading everything. Chuck
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    With all of the cheap go fast goodies so readily available for these cars, my guess is there is going to be a need to police them, and it will be quite difficult task at that. Other than that, they should be a great addition to ITR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeg View Post
    Victory donuts....what's next? Champaign spraying in impound?
    Hey! You could put somebody's eye out with that cork! :eek:

    As much as I'm tired of the smokey burnouts that have become standard after every NASCAR race, I fought it (and lost) when the stewards wanted me to put prohibitions against "burnouts, victory donuts or other celebrations" in our Supps. I don't know if they really thought he was being unsafe or they just were tired at the end of long day, but IMO the DQ was WAY too over the top in this case.

    That said, I'm more impressed when Emmitt would just hand the ball to the ref after a touchdown - act like you've been there before.
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    Butch--I wonder if he went underweight because he burned off some rubber and fuel during his Donut session.

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    Andy, does 10hp really equal 140 lbs? The early car does still have rear drums, what would the weight difference be if both cars had the same brakes front and rear.

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    Drums didn't change teh weight, they are not part of the process weight on this car. The difference is entirely due to stock hp, although Ron is pretty convinced the early car will make more power in IT trim as well.
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