E36 ITS/R Questions

[JeffYoung]

Welcome, welcome.

Fair questions for new guy, even if you have read the ITCS -- but do read the ITCS early and often. Will give you ideas for what you can do, as well as tell you what you can't.

In any event, in looking at that webpage, it may be legal. It depends on how it is attached, and how big it is. If it attaches to the spoiler, and is part of the spoiler, it's legal so long as it doesn't protrude past the bumper/body outline when viewed from above, and doesn't extend past the front of the wheel wells. If this thing attaches that way and is of that size, then it is legal. If not, you may still be able to cut it so it works.

On the windows and motors, you can't gut the door unless the bars extend into the door, so no go there unless you redo your cage.

You probably will not get a logbook (meaning no school) without a fuel test port.

So, I'm trying to wrap up my IT build in time to do the Blackhawk Farms double school. I'm a bit of a noob and have some legitimate questions about whether or not certain things would be legal within IT. I don't intend to try to bend the rules, I just want to understand the legality. I would really appreciate any guidance.

I have a JT designs aluminum underpanel. Can this be used on an IT car?
I tried posting a link, but can't as I don't have a high enough post count.

Try jtdesigns DOT stores DOT yahoo DOT net SLASH alunpan DOT html


My donor car didn't come with interior door panels. I have X bars that don't intrude into the doors. Can I:

• Remove the window glass?
• Remove the window motors?

I had thought of using aluminum panels, but the window motors are pretty bulky and the panels won't sit flat. If I can remove the motors, I'll use the panels. Otherwise, I'll have to score a pair of stock door panels.

Also... is the fuel test port mandatory for the school?

Thanks in advance!

[shwah]

Keep an eye on the entry list for the race that weekend for Jim Peterson in his E36. I am sure he will be happy to offer advice to a newb, and will have a great example of a well prepped example to look at.

If I make it out that weekend, I will look for you.

[ed325its]

The side window glass and motors can not be removed unless Nascar type bars are used that extend into the door. The E36 has a stock fuel testing port on the fuel rail. All you need to do is install alluminun or stock door panels to go racing.

Welcome.

[robits325is]

The side window glass and motors can not be removed unless Nascar type bars are used that extend into the door. The E36 has a stock fuel testing port on the fuel rail. All you need to do is install alluminun or stock door panels to go racing.

Welcome.

Ed,

Are you racing at all this year?

Rob

[juliancates]

The E36 has a stock fuel testing port on the fuel rail. All you need to do is install alluminun or stock door panels to go racing.

Welcome.

Perfect! Check that one off the list. Thanks for the head's up!

[mlytle]

The E36 has a stock fuel testing port on the fuel rail.
Welcome.

It does? my 93 325 does not. not all e36's have this. check before counting on it being there!

[NORRIS]

Welcome aboard!

You might check, I don't think your car has to be IT legal for the school, but I'm pretty sure it has to be SCCA safety legal. I'm not sure about if you need the fuel port for the school. I am pretty sure that all the OBD1 cars DO NOT have a fuel port on the rail. Check with James at Bimmerworld to get a fuel port.

[Olson-RRT]

Last year at the Summit Point school (NEDIV) I used a NASA spec e30 and had to have an SCCA log book issued. Tech was nice enough to give lots of "fix before next time", one of which was the fuel inspection port, and let me through. As with anything on the internet, YMMV.

[dickita15]

That would probably still happen with a fuel port however do to a ugly internet battle about an event at Nelson last year stewards are being told that they may not do a fix by next event waiver on any safety item no matter how trivial.

[snk328is]

It does? my 93 325 does not. not all e36's have this. check before counting on it being there!

I have a '95 325is and also do not have a fuel test port. I had to put in the bimmerworld kit.

[matthewAPM]

I have a '95 325is and also do not have a fuel test port. I had to put in the bimmerworld kit.

This is something I had no clue about. Thanks for the info!

[juliancates]

Keep an eye on the entry list for the race that weekend for Jim Peterson in his E36. I am sure he will be happy to offer advice to a newb, and will have a great example of a well prepped example to look at.

If I make it out that weekend, I will look for you.

Hey, thanks Chris. I've got some time, I'm hopeful that I can get everything in order in time for the school. If so, I'll be sure to look up Jim and you if you're there.

Thanks!

[juliancates]

Mike / Jeff --

OK, so now I should hopefully have enough posts to be able to post an image or a link. Here's the underpanel installed... albeit on an M3, but it would be the same on the 325.



In looking at that closer... looks like it is "aft of the forward most part of the front
fender opening", but just barely. I'll see if I can track down the stock underpanel piece that goes there... although it's probably fairly similar, just made of plastic instead of aluminum.

Thanks, all, for the welcome and the support. Hope to be racing with you soon!

P.S. Sorry for the multiple posts... trying to get the post count to where I could post links.

[dj10]

Mike / Jeff --

OK, so now I should hopefully have enough posts to be able to post an image or a link. Here's the underpanel installed... albeit on an M3, but it would be the same on the 325.



In looking at that closer... looks like it is "aft of the forward most part of the front
fender opening", but just barely. I'll see if I can track down the stock underpanel piece that goes there... although it's probably fairly similar, just made of plastic instead of aluminum.

Thanks, all, for the welcome and the support. Hope to be racing with you soon!

P.S. Sorry for the multiple posts... trying to get the post count to where I could post links.

You may notice the black splitter piece on the bottom of the bumper cover sticks out farther than allowed by the rules. Usually anyone who runs this will remove this piece to remain legal, if your running in ITR. If you run ITE, nobody cares. :~)

[Olson-RRT]

Julian, a saying I have heard many times, which I believe will help you along with interpreting the rules, is, "if it [the rules] doesn't say you can do it then you probably can't." This is certainly the case with your door gutting question.

For your search of the stock under tray use http://realoem.com. Very helpful for tracking down all sorts of misc parts with their factory part numbers.

[snk328is]

Hey Julian, I'll see you at the BHF driving school. Are you on bimmerforums or EuroTeknik? I've been a member on the former for a long time and still a n00b on the latter.

FYI, bimmerworld sells a fuel test port kit. http://store.bimmerworld.com/shared/...immerworl&All=

Nobu

[juliancates]

You may notice the black splitter piece on the bottom of the bumper cover sticks out farther than allowed by the rules. Usually anyone who runs this will remove this piece to remain legal, if your running in ITR. If you run ITE, nobody cares. :~)

Do you mean the stock black "lip" on the M3 bumper cover? Not applicable to me as I do have a 325is bumper cover on my car, not the M3/M-Technic bumper pictured. That picture was pulled off of the internet to show the JT underpanel.

Anybody have any creative methods they would care to share for fabbing an IT legal air dam/spoiler? I noticed BW has a nice CF that runs about $370... but that's a little rich for my blood right now.

I'll check realoem to see if they are the same, but if the M3 underpanel and the 325is underpanel are the same parts, I can pull the stock underpanel off of my street M3 and use the JT designs underpanel there.

Olson-RRT --- Words to live by for sure! I did want to get some clarification as to the common understanding of "gutting", and if removal of window glass was included in that. Looks like I'll be finding a pair of stock door panels until I can get in line at my cage builder's for "NASCAR" bars.

Really appreciate the support, guys!

[dj10]

Do you mean the stock black "lip" on the M3 bumper cover?

That's the machine I was talking about. I you don't have one, don't worry about it.