Life without the VIN rule

[JoshS]

same brakes and same wheel size.

Hey Rob,

The 323i has 286mm front brakes, the 328i has 300mm front brakes.

[spnkzss]

I know of a few ITC CRX that will be making the FI Si swap to B. My Civic Std ITC car will eventually become a ITB Civic, just have stop spending the money on the A car.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Everyone getting off the ITC bus? UNINTENDED - eh Kirk?

[Ed Funk]

Only one of ours is going to become a B car, so we'll have an A, B, C. B may not be ready this season.

[spnkzss]

Everyone getting off the ITC bus? UNINTENDED - eh Kirk?

Definitely not unforeseen.

[Jeremy Billiel]

Definitely not unforeseen.

If anything I believe this is/could be the best thing for those few ITC racers left who no longer have anyone to run with. Now they can make a "change" and at least not be stuck with a worthless car that no one wants.

[jjjanos]

Everyone getting off the ITC bus? UNINTENDED - eh Kirk?

ITC was a dead-man walking w/o the VIN rule. No new cars being classified except for fat VWs. No new cars being built for the US market that it makes sense to turn into an IT car. Heck, you can almost buy a ready to race ITB car for what the shell of the VW costs. 25+ year-old cars requiring body parts... I know of a couple of C cars that got parked because the last set of clean body panels were on the car.

With the VIN rule going away, there at least will be a few survivors that get the Jesus treatment.

[CDS]

I know of a few ITC CRX that will be making the FI Si swap to B. My Civic Std ITC car will eventually become a ITB Civic, just have stop spending the money on the A car.

I'll probably make the swap to ITB with my CRX as well. Tired of fooling with weber carbs. How competitive is the 1st gen CRX in ITB?

[Z3_GoCar]

If anything I believe this is/could be the best thing for those few ITC racers left who no longer have anyone to run with. Now they can make a "change" and at least not be stuck with a worthless car that no one wants.

ITC => Spec X 1/9

[spnkzss]

I'll probably make the swap to ITB with my CRX as well. Tired of fooling with weber carbs. How competitive is the 1st gen CRX in ITB?

I know when they were in ITA I saw a few make a fair showing. In today's ITA they would get their ass handed to them. I'm surprised actually that no one has built and run a no holds barred ITB Si yet. I'm sure one of them next year should make a decent showing.

[Ed Funk]

CRX Si is basically the same car as the Civic Si, there's at least one of those in the norteast that is very competitive in ITB. The car that we're VINing to B is a Civic.

[chewy8000]

I'm sure a few ITC rabbits will be jumping to 1.8's and heading for B as well.

[Knestis]

Everyone getting off the ITC bus? UNINTENDED - eh Kirk?

That was actually one of the desires people were expressing when we first started talking about it, to do exactly what we're seeing the Honda guys do. So, no - not unintended at all.

That said, I've long been an advocate for proactively listing some new ITC blood...

K

[lateapex911]

That was actually one of the desires people were expressing when we first started talking about it, to do exactly what we're seeing the Honda guys do. So, no - not unintended at all.

That said, I've long been an advocate for proactively listing some new ITC blood...

K

Trouble is the blood bank has little to no C blood that is desirable...

[jay05]

Since VW didn't make a GLI with a 1.8 until 84 I won't be able to take advantage of this rule. Correct?

[MMiskoe]

This is a bit of thread highjack, but this thread is already poluted.

Seems that the VIN rule is getting us closer to dual classification. If the VIN rule appears to be a good thing, why not re-open the dual classification can of worms?

Take Rob's request to toggle his BMW back & forth. As an ITS car running in ITR he is at a known disadvantage for HP & brakes. As Andy said, he'll beat some, not all and anyone who protests him is doing so out on the weenie card. The advantage is more entries and cars that can run in more classes, therefore making the car more appealing. I'm not proposing cars to run down a class, just up. More cars in a race is a good thing, otherwise we're just doing time trials.

Matt

[Andy Bettencourt]

That was actually one of the desires people were expressing when we first started talking about it, to do exactly what we're seeing the Honda guys do. So, no - not unintended at all.

That said, I've long been an advocate for proactively listing some new ITC blood...

K

The additions to ITB yes, but the 'shrinkage' of ITC? Did we just kill it?

[JoshS]

Seems that the VIN rule is getting us closer to dual classification. If the VIN rule appears to be a good thing, why not re-open the dual classification can of worms?

No way, I (still) say.

On the one hand, I hear IT drivers arguing against including SMs and V8 in IT because "they already have a place to play." So apparently one place to play is enough. But then they want their own cars to have two places to play, just in IT? Can't have it both ways.

One listing is enough for every car in IT. If a REGION wants to get additional race entries, actively encourage drivers to double-enter in ITE or another class they create. That's what we do here in SFR and it works great. Lots of people take advantage. We have ITX, which includes anything that's ever been classed in SS (allowing IT suspension mods), plus SM, ITA, ITB, and ITC cars. And then for ITS and ITR cars, they are encouraged to dual-enter in ITE.

[ekim952522000]

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Seems that the VIN rule is getting us closer to dual classification. If the VIN rule appears to be a good thing, why not re-open the dual classification can of worms?

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My car already is?

[Knestis]

Since VW didn't make a GLI with a 1.8 until 84 I won't be able to take advantage of this rule. Correct?

If you can build an EXACT replica of the "target" car with what you have, you're good to go. I know I'm not answering your specific question but it's because I don't know my Jetti well enough to be able to say for sure what differences might exist...

And "what Andy said" about the dual classification question. If a region wants more entries, there are all kinds of options available.

K