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    That S2000 at the 13 hour was a nice car,just built,can't remember what class it was in that weekend.It is going to be run in T3 next year owned by husband wife team and built by Racelabs someone said.Motor went boom in the middle somewhere during the race,I heard it was a junkrard motor just put in.
    I was in the the Type R that weekend and not sure who they had in the car at the times I was but I pretty much drove around it.Now this was my first time at VIR and my first laps were during my first stint so it took me about 15 laps to get up to speed.Someone said I got down into the 17's so I wasn't smoken the track up by any means.In saying that I also heard the S2000 drivers were pretty new to racing.

    I do remember coming out of oaktree and really pulling up to it out of the corner and once I passed it in 5th gear 3/4 way down the track the S2000 seemed to hang on a bit.

    Our car is full IT prep except for the motor which is stock,has a big gear and pulled about 190/134 on the dyno before the event.Not sure if thats good or bad but Honda does a pretty good job in the motor dept. in both cars.The S2000 might eek out 210-215 hp at the wheels after a little bit of prep.Our car handles fine in endurance mode but I would be a little afraid of a sprint race keeping up with a better handling car as the S2000 should be.

    I am guessing that in your region racing a S2000 is going to be a pretty good car to have,you might be a little out gunned at the ARRC from another car or two but....

    And as some of you know the S2000 is of great interest to me if T3 is still around in the future.I even have a friend who is looking at it or the RX-8 for e-prod.

    So my bet is build it for ITR and have fun.

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    Or better yet buy my spec miata and turn it into a ITA car!!!!!!And then you could kick the crap out of Travis with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by type r rocket View Post
    Or better yet buy my spec miata and turn it into a ITA car!!!!!!And then you could kick the crap out of Travis with it.
    you just love to get me all fired up don't you? talk all you want right now dave, because if you end up running in ITA next year i'll put an extra long tow strap on the back of my car so you can try and hang on as i drive by.

    your phone is ringing.

    anyway....

    like dave, i'm really intrigued by the S2000 as the next race car (but i'm 5 years away from that). i just want somebody else to try it out first so they can tell me if the thing will hold together and not chew through tires/brakes at that weight.
    Travis Nordwald
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnord View Post
    like dave, i'm really intrigued by the S2000 as the next race car (but i'm 5 years away from that). i just want somebody else to try it out first so they can tell me if the thing will hold together and not chew through tires/brakes at that weight.
    Seelig's building one. Don't think it'll be booger green though Might be done for next season
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    The car in the 13 hour was slow. Its lap times were well up in the 2:20's and the second driver was well into the 2:30's as if it was raining.


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    although it was a CR the S2000s that Honda R&D ran at the 25 hour last year were pretty impressive.

    they were right around 2900lbs, stock motor, no header, no intake, no exhaust, cats removed, stock CR springs and H&R dampers. And it was an Enduro car.

    it ran 2:02:xx for most of the enduro, which is pretty good.

    I ITR cars should be around 1:59:xx to 2:00:xx at thunderhill with the bypass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyc View Post
    although it was a CR the S2000s that Honda R&D ran at the 25 hour last year were pretty impressive.

    they were right around 2900lbs, stock motor, no header, no intake, no exhaust, cats removed, stock CR springs and H&R dampers. And it was an Enduro car.

    it ran 2:02:xx for most of the enduro, which is pretty good.

    I ITR cars should be around 1:59:xx to 2:00:xx at thunderhill with the bypass.
    SCCA doesn't use the bypass, but I just asked Dave Vodden (track mgr and club racer), who would know better than anyone, what the time difference is. He said easy 1 second, maybe 2 once you get used to the jump, not much more than that.

    Okay, so 2 seconds. I predict a well-driven, fully-prepped ITR car will be in the low 2:03s, maybe a high 2:02 take-no-prisoners-track-record-lap going over the cyclone. So, I think a 1:59.xxx with the bypass is very optimistic.

    My best so far in my ITR car is 2:05.5 w/o bypass. It still has the original engine but the handling is getting there and I think the driver is pretty decent.

    What does that all mean for the S2K? I still say it can do okay at its current weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshS View Post

    Okay, so 2 seconds. I predict a well-driven, fully-prepped ITR car will be in the low 2:03s, maybe a high 2:02 take-no-prisoners-track-record-lap going over the cyclone. So, I think a 1:59.xxx with the bypass is very optimistic.
    Yep 2 seconds is what i have heard/seen from a few who have ran the track a lot both ways.

    I really think ITR cars will be in 2:01:xx, at least i hope so. An ITA integra in enduro trim ran a 2:03:xx with the by pass.




    If an H1 S2k isn't a solid 4 seconds a lap faster then ITA, THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

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