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    This is a one year deal as they are no longer going to Autobahn due to high costs. We needed another National so they converted the event for one year.

    Most of you in IT can now run DP if you wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mengelke View Post
    This is a one year deal as they are no longer going to Autobahn due to high costs. We needed another National so they converted the event for one year.

    Most of you in IT can now run DP if you wanted to.

    Mike Engelke
    At least those of you with an 1985 or newer car. I intend to run a couple of nationals in my ITB car in ( STU ). They have changed the name from DP to STU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mengelke View Post
    This is a one year deal as they are no longer going to Autobahn due to high costs. We needed another National so they converted the event for one year.

    Most of you in IT can now run DP if you wanted to.

    Mike Engelke

    Where are you hearing this from?

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    It's been in the GCR for a couple of years now. ITR/ITS -> BP (STO now, I believe) and ITA/B/C -> DP (STU now). If a car that is built to the prepared specs shows up and is driven well, you won't see them except maybe in the rearview. But, you still can run in the Nationals.
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    Which part of my statement?

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    "no longer going to Autobahn due to higher costs"

    It read as a permanent situation. Just clarifying that it may not be permanent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mengelke View Post
    Which part of my statement?

    The 'one year deal' of killing the Kettle.

    I have heard nothing like that from any of the CenDiv region board members I've spoken with.

    I don't see them changing it back to a double regional. Maybe a regional/national.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooleyjb View Post
    The 'one year deal' of killing the Kettle.

    I have heard nothing like that from any of the CenDiv region board members I've spoken with.

    I don't see them changing it back to a double regional. Maybe a regional/national.
    Well I, tend to believe Mike as he is the Excutive Steward of CEN-DiV and has a hand in planning the divisions events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stGenBoy View Post
    Well I, tend to believe Mike as he is the Excutive Steward of CEN-DiV and has a hand in planning the divisions events.

    Well he hasn't said anything about it yet.

    As for the conversations I've had with the Chicago region folks that made the decision they have never mentioned anything of the sort. Since it is there event I'd say that they would have more of a firsthand knowledge than he does. No reason to hold back the info that "it's just for this year" information on their part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mengelke View Post
    This is a one year deal as they are no longer going to Autobahn due to high costs.
    That is why it is not on the schedule right now, but I don't know that it is accurate to say that we are no longer going to the Autobahn. My understanding is that there are some that are working on solutions to get us back there, which I really appreciate.
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    Or they could run it as a National with a Restricted Regional to include everyone... Helps pay the bills while giving everyone a chance to 'play'. With such a large track, you can just about fit most of the 'Regional Only' cars into a single group no matter how many show. (I realize there are some open wheel Regional Only classes and that would need to be addressed if there was interest...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by downingracing View Post
    Or they could run it as a National with a Restricted Regional to include everyone... Helps pay the bills while giving everyone a chance to 'play'. With such a large track, you can just about fit most of the 'Regional Only' cars into a single group no matter how many show. (I realize there are some open wheel Regional Only classes and that would need to be addressed if there was interest...)
    Are you talking about Road america or Autobahn? As a previous race chairman for SCCA events there you, will never get it all in at a two day event at RA. Not enough hours in the day.
    All in one group? Let's see: would you want to run with Atlantics,Vees,SRF,GT-1 in the same group? No way and the stewards would never allow it. Ok so now you need an open wheel and closed wheel group. You have to remember that the GCR specifies that national races have a min amount of qualifying time and a certain length race distances so that pretty much chews up your days right then and there. At Ra you lose time on pace laps and cool down laps due to the length of the track plus your normal picking cars up etc. Now if you are just talking about an IT group only, been there done that at the Cat National. It was run as a restricted Regional for IT cars for several years. Never had very many cars show up. I think the most we had was 13 or 14 total one year. My 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stGenBoy View Post
    Are you talking about Road america or Autobahn? As a previous race chairman for SCCA events there you, will never get it all in at a two day event at RA. Not enough hours in the day.
    All in one group? Let's see: would you want to run with Atlantics,Vees,SRF,GT-1 in the same group? No way and the stewards would never allow it. Ok so now you need an open wheel and closed wheel group. You have to remember that the GCR specifies that national races have a min amount of qualifying time and a certain length race distances so that pretty much chews up your days right then and there. At Ra you lose time on pace laps and cool down laps due to the length of the track plus your normal picking cars up etc. Now if you are just talking about an IT group only, been there done that at the Cat National. It was run as a restricted Regional for IT cars for several years. Never had very many cars show up. I think the most we had was 13 or 14 total one year. My 2 cents.

    Bob
    Yeah but that was when there were two double regionals at RA bracketing that event. Now that one of those is gone, I would expect a very different turnout at a IT restricted regional.
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    Why at Road America for end of practice sessions, qualifying & end of races don't the cars come off at turn # 5?
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    A restricted Regional for IT cars might work since there is one less regionial to run there... When Mid-Ohio lost a regional weekend, we (OVR) added a restricted regional to the schedule and it does quite good. When another Regional was lost, we picked up that date too and it did very well for itself this year (the first year). And having never been there, would the cars off a T5 work? Might save considerable time getting people off the track to get the next group rolling. Again, I've never been there and don't have plans to come up that way to race anytime soon... Just tossing out ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddewhurst View Post
    Why at Road America for end of practice sessions, qualifying & end of races don't the cars come off at turn # 5?
    One of the issues is Impound for Tech. How do you impound the cars and make sure they are not messed with or return to the paddock before going up to the scales( escorted of course) and then to impound. I'm sure we could build a new scale pit somewhere down there and move post race Tech to the RA center. It might be something to look at.
    We used to do this at the drivers schools when they were held there long ago. It did caused some issues if I remember right. I think traffic flow was an issue.That issue may be gone now that the bridge is gone.

    David, Since you are always looking for something to do I, think you could be in charge of this. You could stand out on the track and direct the cars off at 5. Work for you?

    FYI: we do not have practice sessions for the nationals ( all sessions before the races are qualifiers )

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    Quote Originally Posted by shwah View Post
    Yeah but that was when there were two double regionals at RA bracketing that event. Now that one of those is gone, I would expect a very different turnout at a IT restricted regional.
    I wouldn't hold your breath on that. We tried everything including prize money to make that restricted IT race work. We even had a 2 hr enduro one year. Most of the IT guys I have talked to like the double race weekend format and not the single race weekend which is what Cat National is. Also the entry fee was a concern for many.
    The restricted IT race will not happen for sure this year do to the fact that they are holding the 40th Formula Ford reunion that weekend along with the National race. That is the "restricted" part of that race.

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    I guess we have a different opinion on the matter then.

    Make it a restricted regional IT race that counts towards the TRO championship and you will get good attendance. Before I never considered it because I had my hands and budget full getting to our championship races. I expect others had the same approach.

    We just lost 1/2 of our opportunities to race at one of the greatest tracks in the world. If an opportunity is provided to regain some of that, and it is integrated into our series, you will see a 'typical' Road America regional IT turnout IMO.
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