ITB - what a bunch of crap

[Jeremy Billiel]

c'mon, really?

"Convienently ignoring anything that doesn't support your distorted view", Travis? Or is it just easier to attack the messenger?

Just sayin.

I can't tell you parts, suspension or anything else. But I do have a similiar view that they are currently overdogs. I have also heard these HP numbers from a very respected source. I am simply doing math!!

[tnord]

i've heard plenty of honda numbers also, but it's all 3rd/4th person type stuff, so i don't start screaming that they need weight thrown at them. are these power numbers you've "heard" directly from the car owner? anything you've seen with your own eyes?

[R2 Racing]

So is this a safe representation of the beliefs of these two Miata's?

94-95 - 128hp * 1.25 * 14.5 = 2320 + 50lbs 4WI = 2370lbs
96-97 - 133hp * 1.20 * 14.5 = 2315 + 50lbs 4WI = 2365lbs

So then they should both end up on the same 2380lbs line.

Is this the God's honest belief of those "in the know", that these things just won't make any more power than that?

[Xian]

So is this a safe representation of the beliefs of these two Miata's?

94-95 - 128hp * 1.25 * 14.5 = 2320 + 50lbs 4WI = 2370lbs
96-97 - 133hp * 1.20 * 14.5 = 2315 + 50lbs 4WI = 2365lbs

So then they should both end up on the same 2380lbs line.

Is this the God's honest belief of those "in the know", that these things just won't make any more power than that?

My contention (and others) is that it should be 30% and 25%...

94-95 - 128hp * 1.30 * 14.5 = 2412 + 50lbs 4WI = 2462lbs
96-97 - 133hp * 1.25 * 14.5 = 2411 + 50lbs 4WI = 2461lbs

[Jeremy Billiel]

Ok my 145 number is high. It's probably closer to 140. I will also say that in all fairness, I think we would need more data to make a sure fire bet that the multiplier should be higher. This is no different than the NX2000 or SE-R. So lets see when more Miata's are built how they fare.

Why are there not more ITA Miata's being built?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Why are there not more ITA Miata's being built?

Because people who know Miata's, their ins and outs and how their lap times REALLY relate to SM...know they aren't an overdog.

And non-Miata people think they are ghey.

[tnord]

Why are there not more ITA Miata's being built?

1) aero sucks. it's not accounted for in the process, which it shouldn't be, but it slows the car down a lot at places like Atlanta. How far ahead did the pack of Hondacura's qualify in front of Stretch?
2) It's not the overdog you think it is.
3) I am building one.

[Xian]

no, it's right in line with a 25% adder off of a 128hp base.

135 at the wheels? Really? Coulda sworn I saw someone reference a figure higher than that... are you sure that engine's never going to make more than 130-135? Maybe closer to 140?

Ok my 145 number is high. It's probably closer to 140. I will also say that in all fairness, I think we would need more data to make a sure fire bet that the multiplier should be higher. This is no different than the NX2000 or SE-R. So lets see when more Miata's are built how they fare.

Yep, 140 is right where a 10/10ths car should be... based off 128hp and 25% OR off 133hp and 25%.

Why are there not more ITA Miata's being built?

SM has wrecked 'em all! Ziiiing!

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[tnord]

i'd like to see you guys answer your own question.

why aren't there more miatas being built?

what is used as the adder for the integra, 30%? are you DOUBLE DOG SURE you can't squeeze out more than 154.7whp? i bet you can get 158 out of that thing, i've heard 160, so 158 sounds reasonable. that thing needs another 75lbs.

[Andy Bettencourt]

"Convienently ignoring anything that doesn't support your distorted view", Travis? Or is it just easier to attack the messenger?

Just sayin.

I can't tell you parts, suspension or anything else. But I do have a similiar view that they are currently overdogs. I have also heard these HP numbers from a very respected source. I am simply doing math!!

Jeremy, you are using rumored hp numbers, not a number that is backed up by years of statistical data. I have never heard of a 1.8 making 145whp. NEVER. If we want to start racing singular dyno plots, I will write up the request for a weight adjustment on the SE-R/NX2000 for you to submit.

Oh, please tell me WHY you think they are overdogs. You have any data to support that? This is what, the 3rd year people have been saying that...where are they all? And make sure it's your mouth moving without Greg's hand up your back...

[Jeremy Billiel]

Jeremy, you are using rumored hp numbers, not a number that is backed up by years of statistical data. I have never heard of a 1.8 making 145whp. NEVER. If we want to start racing singular dyno plots, I will write up the request for a weight adjustment on the SE-R/NX2000 for you to submit.

I hear you Andy. If there were more SE-R's and NX2000's out there I think that would be a fair arguement. So you have a very stout motor that is making good power. Now lets assume that you were not in your current position. What types of HP do the 1.8L's really make?

[tnord]

I hear you Andy. If there were more SE-R's and NX2000's out there I think that would be a fair arguement. So you have a very stout motor that is making good power. Now lets assume that you were not in your current position. What types of HP do the 1.8L's really make?

i really don't like to talk about other people's power #'s without their permission, but i'll just say one of the most optimized ones i know of isn't even in your rumored range, and gets walked by the hondas.

i heard those integras make AT LEAST 160hp!!!

[Xian]

Travis I saw your post before you went back and edited out the power figure. Suffice to say that that figure you posted is right in line with the 1.8 liter car getting a 25% adder off a "base HP" figure of 133. Not as high as the number Jeremy posted but right in line with the numbers I've heard for these cars. i.e. the car is classed light right now.

[tnord]

Travis I saw your post before you went back and edited out the power figure. Suffice to say that that figure you posted is right in line with the 1.8 liter car getting a 25% adder off a "base HP" figure of 133. Not as high as the number Jeremy posted but right in line with the numbers I've heard for these cars. i.e. the car is classed light right now.

no, it's right in line with a 25% adder off of a 128hp base.

[Greg Amy]

Jeremy, you are using rumored hp numbers, not a number that is backed up by years of statistical data.

Care to share your "years of statistical data" showing that the later 1.8L Miata makes only 18% improvements in horsepower in IT trim...?

"Just Sayin'".

And make sure it's your mouth moving without Greg's hand up your back...

Having lost the Logic and Reason battle, now you're devolving into Travis Nord tactics...

[Andy Bettencourt]

Care to share your "years of statistical data" showing that the later 1.8L Miata makes only 18% improvements in horsepower in IT trim...?

"Just Sayin'".


Having lost the Logic and Reason battle, now you're devolving into Travis Nord tactics...

I guess you are just ignoring the 25% on 128hp. It's what was classed.

I will submit a request to break them out. Nobody should have a problem with that, right?