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    It's really pleasing to see some actual explanations for reasoning from the CRB on the "Not Recommended" items instead of the usual blanket response of "not within class philosphy".

    Great examples from this FasTrack:
    "This would cause an unnecessary cost increase"
    "This would create a model that
    was not built"

    It's about damn time.
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    Why are they classifing more cars as level 1 in production? I thought the future of the club was Level 2?
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    Wait, holy crap I missed that. Level 1? I had requested Level 1 for EP... I'll have to see if that changes things... (I mean about the way I feel. I know it changes everything about the engine, suspension, steering, etc.).
    "Most people have the will to win, few have the will to prepare to win.” - Bobby Knight

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    Quote Originally Posted by planet6racing View Post
    Wait, holy crap I missed that. Level 1? I had requested Level 1 for EP... I'll have to see if that changes things... (I mean about the way I feel. I know it changes everything about the engine, suspension, steering, etc.).

    You REALLY want to go Production???
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    Quote Originally Posted by lateapex911 View Post
    You REALLY want to go Production???
    Yes. For the given rulesets, FP offers more freedom for making changes. IT is a great class, but I want to be able to do more with the car eventually. Being and engineer and a technology junkie, FP was the next step.

    Plus, Road America is hosting the Runoffs next year and I should be able to qualify (even with the car as it is now)...
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    Woohoo... no more drilling holes in cages! Wait... are they providing the Tech Chiefs an ultrasonic tester???? My guess is no....
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    Quote Originally Posted by planet6racing View Post
    Yes. For the given rulesets, FP offers more freedom for making changes. IT is a great class, but I want to be able to do more with the car eventually. Being and engineer and a technology junkie, FP was the next step.

    Plus, Road America is hosting the Runoffs next year and I should be able to qualify (even with the car as it is now)...
    Well, I was more surprised because of the , well, to put it nicely, the mess that is Prod classing. I know you like to engineer!

    What if IT were national??
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    Let's not start that discussion again. For all of you who are thinking of answering it - please don't. We don't need to foul up yet another thread about that...
    "Most people have the will to win, few have the will to prepare to win.” - Bobby Knight

    Bill
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    Bill. The point is moot as you are classed as 'full prep', but anyone who thinks level 2 aka 'limited prep' production is IT with slicks really needs to not jump into that pond.

    Remember that the limits in the engines are cylinder head porting, compression and cam lift. You will still be developing a custom cam profile, still be getting a light balanced knifed crank, still be doing almost every trick peice of machine work on Level 2 as Level 1. Still running way more cage than IT and still using lightweight body panels to help improve weight distribution.

    It may be cheaper to race with Level 2, but not cheaper to win.

    When/if I go that route it will be Level 1 FP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77ITA View Post
    It's really pleasing to see some actual explanations for reasoning from the CRB on the "Not Recommended" items instead of the usual blanket response of "not within class philosphy".

    Great examples from this FasTrack:
    "This would cause an unnecessary cost increase"
    "This would create a model that
    was not built"

    It's about damn time.

    yea, and we've been talking and trying to do that for awhile...
    but...I bet money next month will have a letter debating our response for something!
    Jake Gulick


    CarriageHouse Motorsports
    for sale: 2003 Audi A4 Quattro, clean, serviced, dark green, auto, sunroof, tan leather with 75K miles.
    IT-7 #57 RX-7 race car
    Porsche 1973 911E street/fun car
    BMW 2003 M3 cab, sun car.
    GMC Sierra Tow Vehicle
    New England Region
    lateapex911(at)gmail(dot)com


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