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    So, the Saturn SL2 is classed in FP (prep level 1), but with 15X6 wheels and 9.5:1 compression. Hmm... Why run FP like that? I can run wider wheels with the same compression in ITA... Basically, the re-classification got me the ability to switch letters on the side of my car and run slicks (albeit on stock wheels) that cost about the same as DOT tires.

    I really need to re-think this whole racing thing...
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    It's really pleasing to see some actual explanations for reasoning from the CRB on the "Not Recommended" items instead of the usual blanket response of "not within class philosphy".

    Great examples from this FasTrack:
    "This would cause an unnecessary cost increase"
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    Why are they classifing more cars as level 1 in production? I thought the future of the club was Level 2?
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    Wait, holy crap I missed that. Level 1? I had requested Level 1 for EP... I'll have to see if that changes things... (I mean about the way I feel. I know it changes everything about the engine, suspension, steering, etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by planet6racing View Post
    Wait, holy crap I missed that. Level 1? I had requested Level 1 for EP... I'll have to see if that changes things... (I mean about the way I feel. I know it changes everything about the engine, suspension, steering, etc.).

    You REALLY want to go Production???
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77ITA View Post
    It's really pleasing to see some actual explanations for reasoning from the CRB on the "Not Recommended" items instead of the usual blanket response of "not within class philosphy".

    Great examples from this FasTrack:
    "This would cause an unnecessary cost increase"
    "This would create a model that
    was not built"

    It's about damn time.

    yea, and we've been talking and trying to do that for awhile...
    but...I bet money next month will have a letter debating our response for something!
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    Quote Originally Posted by planet6racing View Post
    So, the Saturn SL2 is classed in FP (prep level 1), but with 15X6 wheels and 9.5:1 compression. Hmm... Why run FP like that? I can run wider wheels with the same compression in ITA... Basically, the re-classification got me the ability to switch letters on the side of my car and run slicks (albeit on stock wheels) that cost about the same as DOT tires.

    I really need to re-think this whole racing thing...
    There are at least three errors in that listing. It should be Level 2; the CR should be 11:1 and the max cam lift should be .450". (And, no, you cannot ask how these things happen!) We'll get it corrected next month.

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Gomberg View Post
    There are at least three errors in that listing. It should be Level 2; the CR should be 11:1 and the max cam lift should be .450". (And, no, you cannot ask how these things happen!) We'll get it corrected next month.

    Dave
    Wait, what? Seriously? I filed this on May 22nd, 2008, and it just gets out, and it is WRONG?
    Last edited by planet6racing; 09-24-2008 at 08:42 AM. Reason: Added the correct date of filing.
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    We run an Level 2 fp 91 civic and seem to be doing very well at the regional level ( won every race netered except one due to mouse click to allow timing to advnace) .. and all we have is a team of engineers to make up for the lack money. We have very little money invested. We built the car to FP rules and have been waiting on money for the double adjustable konis and adjsutable bits and rod ends.. currently running the old IT konis off the IT car with stiffer springs. and waiting for money to build the motor right. currently just an IT motor with a .380" lift cam.(old spec line.. currently allowed .450 lift).

    We were to go national racing next year.. but if they make our car level 1 with the added weight.. we will not be able to build a true Level 1 prepared engine nor will it have the relability as a Level 2 prep engine. With the current Level 1 rules I can spend as much money we have in the car in the motor alone.
    Last edited by quadzjr; 09-23-2008 at 07:50 PM.
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    Sorry to rant.. the LEvel 1 reclassification is a sore subject with me.. my apologies.. wrong forum.. wrong time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Gomberg View Post
    There are at least three errors in that listing. It should be Level 2; the CR should be 11:1 and the max cam lift should be .450". (And, no, you cannot ask how these things happen!) We'll get it corrected next month.

    Dave
    That sounds like a challenge.

    Let's see ...

    How do these things happen??

    Yes! I did it. I *can* ask how these things happen!

    (I was also curious due to the flaring errors in the new EP Z3 listing, which got corrected this month.)
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