Mr2 Ita/b

[quadzjr]

We are currently building an ITA/B first gen MR2. Has it been confirmed to be in ITB yet? or will that come out in the 09' GCR? We believe the car will be competitive against the VW's with it's better balance and superior suspenion.. the one thing that we have become very familiar with is the stupid cost for every part on this car.

With the absence of tq, and intake and header don't produce gains like you see on a honda.. What do you guys/gals think?

[Knestis]

http://www.scca.org/documents/Fastra...track-june.pdf

"Effective 1/1/09"

I think it will be a great addition to an already good class. The Corolla GTS will be awesome too, if there are any left that haven't been drifted to junk.

K

[quadzjr]

http://www.scca.org/documents/Fastra...track-june.pdf

"Effective 1/1/09"

I think it will be a great addition to an already good class. The Corolla GTS will be awesome too, if there are any left that haven't been drifted to junk.

K

If they haven't they are rolling rust rockets.. another car I thought of building.. This damn FP civic is taking to much of my time.

But with the lack of tq.. do you think it will be able to compete against the VW's..

[Knestis]

I think it will compete but it will compete differently, and in different situations. The Golf III is great climbing the esses at VIR, or going the hills at Rd Atl. The MR2 won't be great there. The Golf sucks in the long corners at Mid-O, where the MR2 will kick it in the nuts and take its lunch money...

K

[quadzjr]

The group of us at REJMAN Racing are out of Florida here. I figure that the car will be up front at tracks like Savanna.. Old Moroso and Kershaw The VW would probably win out.. and tracks like Sebring would be a toss up.. It will probably rely heavily on how Chip get used to his baby a few hundered pounds heavier and on DOT-R tires.. haha.

[Knestis]

We'll see you at CMP and find out, I guess.

K

[Spinnetti]

http://www.scca.org/documents/Fastra...track-june.pdf

"Effective 1/1/09"

I think it will be a great addition to an already good class. The Corolla GTS will be awesome too, if there are any left that haven't been drifted to junk.

K

I read your link, but didn't see the Corolla. Certainly mine hasn't been drifted to junk, but I don't want to run B either with different wheels and more weight, especially after 15 years in A!. Can I still stay in A, or do I have to run "ITE" to keep it as is?

[Knestis]

I read your link, but didn't see the Corolla. Certainly mine hasn't been drifted to junk, but I don't want to run B either with different wheels and more weight, especially after 15 years in A!. Can I still stay in A, or do I have to run "ITE" to keep it as is?

The Corolla's been discussed by the ITAC as being anomalous to the current standards in A but nothing formal has been done about it. We dealt with the MR2 right before the recent wave of requests to revisit some other "outliers," which precipitated the current hold - in place while we resolve a couple of big, first-principle kind of questions.

If it's moved - which would require it stays outside the tolerance we end up applying - you wouldn't be able to stay in A.

K

[kbrewMR2]

I'd love to get some seat time in a ITB Mk1 MR2

if its anything like the Mk2, they definitely handle in a, uhh, unique way... master it and you could turn some heads, even at the weight & supposed lack of power its saddled with

[Knestis]

If your point about "unique" is about the low polar moment of inertia, then yeah - I think it is a two-edged sword. It's going to yaw (rotate) quickly and with less warning and feel than something with the weight out at the ends (a la the Audi). I think someone withe appropriately quick hands will be able to take advantage of that but an old fart like me would just spin it all over the place.

This behavior would only be aggravated in the wet: Faster yet, with a hot hand, scary as sin with old reflexes.

K

[Chip42]

"Effective 1/1/09"

I think it will be a great addition to an already good class. The Corolla GTS will be awesome too, if there are any left that haven't been drifted to junk.

K

except that the quoted line is listed under "proposed rule changes or car reclassifications"

we all know (especially you, being on the ITAC and all) that the car will be in ITB in '09, but there is no official publication yet saying so to the membership.

FYI - parts of the 2009 GCR are posted on SCCA website- not IT yet.

[Knestis]

It would be a degree of micromanagement I haven't seen even in SCCA for the BoD to not approve a tiny little item like that, after it has been recommended by the ITAC and CRB. I wouldn't have said it prior to CRB approval, because it IS entirely within their purview to tell the ITAC that it's confused, but at this point I think we can be confident.

Luckily, it's not like there would be a ton work to be completed to make the change.

K