More race car towing harrassment

[jlucas]

If your not familiar with the issues, you should be if your tow. One of these types of stories seems be popping up every couple of months on different message boards.

Yet another story (no relation, etc...):
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=442560

[joeg]

Carry a copy of the DOT exemptions for non-commercial.

The guy had business signs on the Duallie... maybe no excuse

[chuck baader]

Guys, the easiest way around that is to tow with a motor home. There are two on ebay at this time, one identical to mine, and one the same with a lighter interior. It costs 250 to upgrade the motor to 300/950 and pick up 1 mpg. Both are under 30k. Check item numbers: 320274605566 and 160256679350. The second one has ended but you can check out the seller. Chuck

[BruceG]

Hi

If we can be stopped with decals/signage on a trailer and told that it is a commercial vehicle, what happens if we are stopped with no decals etc on the trailer but they inspect the contents and see decals on the race car? Same result?

[planet6racing]

Carry a copy of the DOT exemptions for non-commercial.

The guy had business signs on the Duallie... maybe no excuse

That and it is owned by the business, thereby most likely having commercial plates. That was, most likely, the real problem.

[JamesB]

Towing with a vehicle either owned by a business or self employed with the signage visable will get you all the time. It got us once when I was a kid doing regional motorcross. When my father bought his new E350 work van instead of having vinyl work done on it, he had several heavy duty magnetic signs that we could remove before we towed the 12' trailer holding my bikes, fuel and parts. Saved us a lot of issues with DOT after that.

I am looking at the MH route myself, not due to DOT issues, but because I like air conditioning, a queen size bed and to bring my dog with me.

[keycom]

Be sure to read those exemptions and carry them with you.

NOTE: Even though commercially signed and tagged, IF you are using it for PERSONAL use, you do not need a CDL, etal.!!!!!

The signage, etc. will just make you more likely to get pulled over.

[JamesB]

Dave, thats what I meant. My father had all the paperwork and exemptions, but it was just the hassle of over an hour on the side of the highway on a 8 hour drive that sucked. So we made our life easier for the next round and still carried all the paperwork.

[keycom]

I carry the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations Pocketbook with me in the truck, with the exemption bookmarked and highlighted. Of course, I have yet to be stopped!

But here is a link to the exception we all are claiming:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...?section=390.3

It's 390.3(f)(3)
(f) Exceptions. Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to —
(f)(1)
(f)(2)
(f)(3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise;



And here is the link to and a copy of FMCSA's own guidance on this exemption:

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...738&guidence=Y

Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the "occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise" apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?
Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.


Hope this helps somebody!

[tdw6974]

I carry the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations Pocketbook with me in the truck, with the exemption bookmarked and highlighted. Of course, I have yet to be stopped!

But here is a link to the exception we all are claiming:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...?section=390.3

It's 390.3(f)(3)
(f) Exceptions. Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to —
(f)(1)
(f)(2)
(f)(3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise;



And here is the link to and a copy of FMCSA's own guidance on this exemption:

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...738&guidence=Y

Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the "occasional(definition of occasional one a month every week?) transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise" apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?
Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e.,( Sure not profitable) (a) prize money(what Money) is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes;(How deep to they want to dig) and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.


Hope this helps somebody!

(had seen this before but thanks for reposting probably good Idea to not call the officier any names if they do pull you over)