Butch, July 19-20?

[IPRESS]

Butch,
We are trying to do the two in one car deal again (since the Feb. race got canceled.) Do you know how the schedule is going to work? We are bringing two miatas for four drivers and trying to get a sprint race for each and share the Enduro. Will ITA and SM be in seperate run groups? If so will they have a group or two inbetween? (Dang I sound like my wife asking a hundred questions!)
I have been recruiting hard for this event as it allows two drivers to cut a lot of expense. I have raced this RAtlanta weekend many times since 2000. Always a good bang for the buck. Actually we have a third car coming too.
Thanks for the info.

[Butch Kummer]

Mac,

Not for official publication since we don't have the sanction numbers yet, but:

Group 1 - small formula cars + FC
Group 2 - Big Noise
Group 3 - small IT (including SM)
Group 4 - Wings & Things
Group 5 - big IT (including ITA)
Group 6 - small fendered cars & SRF
Group 7 - ECR
Group 8 - Pro-IT
Group 9 - Pan-Am Bonus Race (Big Noise)

Sat:
. 15-minute qualifying, Groups 1-6
. 30-minute qualifying, Group 7 (ECR)
. 8-lap "optional qualifying races", Groups 1-6
(lunch where appropriate)
. 15-lap SARRC races, Groups 1 & 2
. 20-minute qualifying, Group 8 (Pro-IT)
. Cook-out and social

Sun:
. 90-minute ECR, Group 7
. Quiet Time, 10:00-12:30, PDX cars on track
. 15-lap Pan-Am Bonus Race, Group 9
. 15-lap SARRC races, Groups 3-6
. 20-lap Pro-IT race, Group 8

So the answers to your questions are:
. yes, I know how the schedule will work
. yes, ITA and SM are separate run groups
. yes, there is one (1) group in between

I don't think I know your wife, so I'll have to take your word for it if you say you sound like her. :cool:

Hope to see you there...

[DavidM]

I know you said this isn't official yet, but I'm sure other people will be wondering about the "optional qualifying races" as well. How's that going to work?

David

[Butch Kummer]

I'll be glad to elucidate:

First session for the SARRC Groups is a standard 15-minute qualifier. Your best time in that session determines where you start in the "optional qualifying race." Unlike a "real" qualifying race, however, your finishing position in the 8-lapper has no bearing on where you start the 15-lap SARRC race. IF you turn a faster lap in the 8-lapper than you did in the first session, however, then that faster time is used to grid for the SARRC race. Finishing order in the 8-lap race DOES count for Atlanta Region points, but that only affects Atlanta Region members that know (or care) about the Atlanta Region Championship.

If you turn a killer lap in the morning and don't want to put additional wear and tear on the car, you're free to do so. If you want to go out at the back of the group and run just a couple of laps looking for a good one, you're free to do so. If you want to line up and drive your a** off while working on your racecraft, you're free to do so.

This is an adaptation of something CFR has done for years and DC Region was going to try this year (not sure if they've done it yet or not). We've had a fair number of people that asked for "heat races" rather than a second qualifying session, we've had some that really like having a second chance in case they screw up the first session, and we've had some that skip the second session altogether, so this tries to appease all groups. The workers and (both) spectators have said they like races more than qualifying sessions, so this gives them more races.

It seems to work well in CFR so we're gonna try it and see how it works. If it's a total flop and drivers hate it we can always go back to two qualifying sessions and a single race.

[IPRESS]

Looks good to me. We plan on having at least three cars and 5 racers coming to enjoy the heat simmering off the kudzu!
The 8 lap Q race is a cool idea. A couple of the guys are RA newbs so the added laps will help them.

Thanks for the quick response as finding a good airline deal is a must these days. We are booked and looking forward to it.

[Rick Starkweather]

Butch:

Great idea! They do the same at many vintage races. As you suggest, those that want to race can, those that want to turn a few quick laps to try improve their qualifying position can also do so.

I'm in! I'm a Road Atlanta newbie (virgin?) in a LPHP Fiesta, so will be in small bore/SRF. But I'll be set up next to a friend with a GTA car. See you there!

Rick

[DavidM]

Cool idea. It'll be interesting to see how it works.

David

[bamfp]

Butch if group 5 is big IT(ITR, ITS, ITA) and then the ProIT starts one race after that how are we going to have time to prep the car for the ProIT since we will be in impound? Can we move Big IT up 2 races?

Blake Meredith

[Butch Kummer]

We want at least one group between Small IT (+ SM) and Big IT so those wanting to double-dip in SM and ITA can do so. They'll be facing the same issues (potentially) as you guys are if they're in Impound. I guess the real answer is: don't finish in the top three!

The sanction numbers have been issued so changing the schedule will require action by the SOM, but that's a procedure rather than a problem.

I'll look at it and see what we can make work...

BTW - we should be opening registration on DLB in the next couple of days.

[IPRESS]

"DON"T FINISH IN THE TOP THREE"

no problem!

[Butch Kummer]

Online Registration is open at DLBRacing.com for the July 19-20 SARRC/ECR/Pro-IT/PDX weekend at Road Atlanta. We'll have a rather unique qualifying format for the SARRC races that weekend (borrowed from CFR), so you'll have to tell me what you think of it.

See you there...

[bamfp]

Butch that is a bad way to look at things. There still is the possibility of 12 people not having enough time to make the car ready and safe for the next race. Either impound should be waived for those who are running in the ProIT and the SARRC or something else.

Blake

[SPiFF]

Butch that is a bad way to look at things. There still is the possibility of 12 people not having enough time to make the car ready and safe for the next race. Either impound should be waived for those who are running in the ProIT and the SARRC or something else.

Blake

Seriously! Not all IT drivers have pro crews. (I certainly do not.) 30 min between races is no way near enough time to refresh both the driver and the car. Why can't all the non-IT groups be between the IT SARRC races and the Pro-IT?

[Butch Kummer]

What part of:

I'll look at it and see what we can make work...

do you not understand?

Groups 1 & 2 are fixed based on commitments we made to people traveling large distances. I also want a group in between small IT and Big IT for the folks that are coming from Texas and want to run a Miata in SM and ITA.

I cannot please everybody, but I'll look at the options we have to re-arrange the Sunday groups and, if we come up with a sequence that makes more sense, I'll start the paperwork to change the schedule.

And Blake, did you see the smiley face?

[IPRESS]

Hey what ever works to help everybody is OK with us. I think we have 4 cars coming now. 1 TX 1 Ark 2 TN.

[Butch Kummer]

I sent a request to the Chief Steward to change Sunday afternoon's schedule to the following:

. Group 3 SARRC race (Small IT & SM)
. Group 9 "Bonus" race (PanAm)
. Group 5 SARRC race (Big IT)
. Group 4 SARRC race (Wings & Things)
. Group 6 SARRC race (Small bore and SRF)
. Pro-IT Race

Saturday's schedule will not change and we'll still have the ECR and PDX on Sunday morning. While I fully expect the change to be approved, I don't know how long it will take for the request to wend it's way through the review and approval process. I also sent an e-mail to those already registered asking if they had any objection (and encouraged them not to).

I'll post here later regarding the status...

[SPiFF]

Thanks!

[trhoppe]

I sent a request to the Chief Steward to change Sunday afternoon's schedule to the following:

. Group 3 SARRC race (Small IT & SM)
. Group 9 "Bonus" race (PanAm)
. Group 5 SARRC race (Big IT)
. Group 4 SARRC race (Wings & Things)
. Group 6 SARRC race (Small bore and SRF)
. Pro-IT Race

Saturday's schedule will not change and we'll still have the ECR and PDX on Sunday morning. While I fully expect the change to be approved, I don't know how long it will take for the request to wend it's way through the review and approval process. I also sent an e-mail to those already registered asking if they had any objection (and encouraged them not to).

I'll post here later regarding the status...

Thanks!!

Also, I like the idea of the qualifying races. They certainly look like a way to appease everyone! I was a little worried that the qualifying race's time would be the only one that would count and not he morning qualifying, but since either qualifying session will be what determines your grid spot, then this is perfect!

Had a great morning run and need to bed brakes? Go for it, just go back of the pack.
Screw up morning? Go for it!
Want to have another "race"? Go for it!
Want to qualify by yourself? Start at the back
Happy with your time? Sit in the shade

-Tom

[Butch Kummer]

I sent a request to the Chief Steward to change Sunday afternoon's schedule to the following:

. Group 3 SARRC race (Small IT & SM)
. Group 9 "Bonus" race (PanAm)
. Group 5 SARRC race (Big IT)
. Group 4 SARRC race (Wings & Things)
. Group 6 SARRC race (Small bore and SRF)
. Pro-IT Race

I'll post here later regarding the status...

The Chief Steward was on vacation with no access to e-mail, but the request HAS been approved! We're in the process of changing it on DLB and the Atlanta Region website, then I'll send an e-mail to all those currently registered to let them know their race on Sunday MIGHT be changed by 45 minutes (max). Since the request orginated here, however, I'm letting y'all know early.

Now that you can't use the lack of prep time as an excuse not to register for the Pro-IT I'm expecting to see a MAJOR increase in registrations for that...

[IPRESS]

Butch or any other GA guy,
Do you know which Hoosier distributor will be there that weekend? I need to order some tires.
Thanks, Mac