National Rule Set For IT7?

[tom_sprecher]

If we could all somehow agree on closing the differences and settle on a national rule set to combine SRX7 w/382, IT7 w/362 and PRO7 w/148 regional entries in 2007 it would make us the 10th largest class in regional racing.


It would also provide justification for the inclusion of IT7 in the IT Triple Crown.

[Gregg]

You can find the MARRS SRX7 ruleset here:
http://wdcr-scca.org/LinkClick.aspx?...bid=73&mid=535

All I can say is: "Good luck w/ that."

[tnord]

why?

[JeffYoung]

An IT7 car is very different from an SRX7 car and both "camps" are pretty committed to their rulesets.

[tom_sprecher]

why?

It would also provide justification for the inclusion of IT7 in the IT Triple Crown.

and justification for vendors supporting the 1st gen,
and sponsors providing more contigecies to larger 1st gen fields,
and help reinforce subscription numbers,
and make the class more appealing to new drivers,
and....?

My question is why not?

[dickita15]

I voted yes but that is of course based on everyone else making their rules the same as mine.

[Ron Earp]

I've vote for putting them in ITA or ITB? What is the chance of that?

[dickita15]

I've vote for putting them in ITA or ITB? What is the chance of that?

Ron, the very existence of the class(s) is a direct result of not being able to classify a wildly popular club racing car in a close to competitive situation in the current class structure.
I held out on doing IT7 a long time before a finally gave in and acknowledged that the ITAC and CRB could not accomplish that.
I know of no other that is this popular that is classed so uncompetitive.

[JeffYoung]

Dick, you think the car could be put in ITB at a competitive weight?

Ron, the very existence of the class(s) is a direct result of not being able to classify a wildly popular club racing car in a close to competitive situation in the current class structure.
I held out on doing IT7 a long time before a finally gave in and acknowledged that the ITAC and CRB could not accomplish that.
I know of no other that is this popular that is classed so uncompetitive.

[pgipson]

Dick, you think the car could be put in ITB at a competitive weight?

Haven't we already had this discussion? The result (?) then was the RX7 lost 100lbs in ITA.

SRX7 is nothing like IT7. There are spec springs, shocks and tires. More weight and fewer mods. There is a common ruleset for IT7 already. It's called ITA (except for the spec tire of course).

SRX7 is aimed at an entirely different kind of racer. Low cost (you can build a competitive car for less than 5K) and minimal maintenance (check oil and add gas). We have 15-20 cars per event and everybody has fun. Let's fix something broken, like a common ruleset for SRX7.

AZ SRX7 # 11

[dickita15]

Dick, you think the car could be put in ITB at a competitive weight?

Well yes I think the car should have been classed in ITB but there are a couple of complications.
One is that the weight would have made half of the current cages obsolete. I surveyed 50 current cars and 24 would not be legal at the higher weight. This would mean that the only way you could put the car in ITB is with Dual Classification and that is not politically possible at this time.
However the second problem is the process seams to fail this car. The narrow power band and total lack of torque is not taken into account in the process so the weight that the process comes up with would not make it competitive there either.
When I realized the second problem there I abandon my effort to solve the first one.

[Knestis]

That race weight, cage tube size issue is wacky to me in a very pragmatic way. My Golf is right near the cut off. I used smaller tubing. HOWEVER, I could race overweight enough to make the actual weight of the car higher than the cut-off. We have minimum weights, remember - there's no law against being too heavy.

I would agree that the first choice would be to find a way to integrate them back into B, and it seems like with sufficient political will, it's got to be possible somehow. I have to confess that recent experiences with the RX8 have left me with a new appreciation for both the challenge and the importance of finding a fair way to include the rotaries.

One comment though - part of the problem is the perception among non-rotary drivers that the cars are magic-fast. THAT is a result of a long history of easy porting cheats having artificially inflated both actual and perceives on-track performance. I hear of gentleman's agreements in IT7 about how much is OK, "since we're only racing against us." I see VIR lap records for IT7 and ITA that are essentially identical.

I see lots of easy pickin's for people who want to scuttle the idea of integrating the cars into B.

K

[roadracer]

I've vote for putting them in ITA or ITB? What is the chance of that?

Because of:
Hondas.
Current ITA Rules.

I do believe the whole reason IT7 exists is because of the uncompetitive nature of a historically popular car. It has thinned the herd of what was a very large chunck of cars. This idea could help corral things.

I do not enjoy a spec tire in IT7. It would be better served to be open tire. Particularly given the R888 & RA1 shift. Throwing your eggs in a basket with a basically untested tire is not a good risk. Spec Miata is addressing this issue here.

Their spec tire rule has ended up costing front runners more than open tire rules. There are a huge number of downsides to a spec tire. Namely fueled by no competition and monopolies. I used to be a Spec tire proponent until I went down that path. It is not a good idea, nor stablizes costs, nor stabilizes competitiveness. It is mostly idealistic theory and hope by it's proponents.

Don

[tnord]

I've vote for putting them in ITA or ITB? What is the chance of that?