Your time was 1:18.140
T3 time was 1:18.896
ITR time was 1:19.621
SM time was 1:22.308
GT1 time was 1:06:615 Rodney would have been in the way in that race with those times
And here are the track records
BP 1:17.839
T3 1:18.896
SM 1:22.308
ITR 1:10.621
I think that the cars were grouped right and every one had a good time.
Race Chair.
Mr. Race Chair, please don't speak for everybody.
I don’t think the groupings were proper and I voiced my opinion to you well before the event. I also didn’t have a particularly good time, riding around at 7/10ths dodging Spec Miatas. The weekend would have been much better if ITR was running in the ITS/ITA group (were I feel ITR belongs).
I do appreciate the work you do for CFR, but occasionally please listen to some of the feedback you get from drivers on these types of decisions.
I am a bit curious as to whom and what set the ITR record on the Sebring short course? A 1:10.621 seems a bit quick to me, being 3.4 seconds off the GT1 times.
ITR #41 '93 BMW E36 CFR/FR
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The Lap times came from the time sheet posted on MYlaps for last weekends race.
Every region has to group the cars according to what works for them. It's based somewhat on past experience, somewhat on input from drivers, and somewhat on pulling numbers out of [thin air]. With 40+ classes at your typical regional, SOMEbody is gonna feel pi$$ed upon. Atlanta Region will continue to put ITR with the "big" IT group and BP wherever the ASedans end up, but that's certainly up to each region.
All that said, the results from Sebring indicate it was a toss-up as to where to put the ITR cars. Group 2 (ITS, ITA, IT7) qualified 28 cars with the pole time at 1:18.7, the slowest at 1:37+, and a median time of 1:24.7. The corresponding numbers for Group 6 (BP, ITR, T3, SM) were 29 cars, 1:16.2, 1:31.1, and 1:24.0. The numbers in each of the races follow fairly closely.
Had CFR moved the three ITR cars to Group 2 it appears it would have been a wash - you still would have been "riding around at 7/10ths", you just would have been dodging IT cars rather than Spec Miatas. Now if you wanted to get started home earlier, that's a whole different argument.
I also want to apologize in advance to CFR for causing their Race Chair to have a heart attack - I'm certain Robin will keel over when he finds out I actually agree with him on something. :cool:
Butch Kummer
Former SCCA Director of Club Racing (July 2012 - Sept 2014)
2006, 2007, 2010 SARRC GTA Champion
Here is what I emailed to Burce on May 18 as to why.
Bruce,
I actually discussed this with your father at the February event. The ITR cars currently running in CFR are very close in speed and size to the ITS cars, which generally leads to close racing between these two classes. While I understand it's nice to have someone to race with, this grouping tends to lead to too much body damage as the ITS cars, often running as a pack and competing with others in their own class, get too agressive in trying to get away from the ITR cars.
A SM, which often doubles as an ITA, is slower than an ITR car, although not so significantly slower as to cause a safety problem. Since the ITR cars should be able to run away from the SM cars, this will allow the ITR cars the ability to race amongst themselves without having to contend with the ITS cars. As the ITR cars are developed and their numbers grow we will obviously have to look for another group to run them in.
Another factor in the grouping decision is that the ITS, ITA and IT7 group has recently been one of the largest groups we have at our regional events. I am attempting to distribute cars more evenly amongst the groups, without jeopardizing safety.
Robin
Some vid of group 7 (GP, EP, HP, ITB, ITC, etc.)
[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3bPBUNLCCjg[/ame]
second clip, mostly chasing David Ellis-Brown in his jetta.
[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=z-wqHLSTsuo[/ame]
getting on two wheels, and Bill Yates in the celica gets by...
[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=CgIDwxfy8is&feature=related[/ame]
Yates makes a boo boo and I get by...was figuring I would never be able to otherwise...
[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=YG1UMqb2JHk&feature=related[/ame]
If anyone else from this run group has any vid's I'd love to see them.
fourth clip
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GacqWXOJFXU[/ame]
Last edited by Chris Wire; 06-14-2008 at 02:01 AM.
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