Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: Road Race Your Street Car

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    St. Charles, IL
    Posts
    2

    Default Road Race Your Street Car

    Sports And Touring CAr Racing (SATCAR) would like to invite interested drivers to attend the Formula Street Fall Series taking place at four tracks in the Midwest. These events offer a safe, cost effective way to get started and continue in road racing.

    Each event will offer run groups for driving school, lapping/practice, race, and lunch time touring - - something for everyone. Drivers will be placed in appropriate groups, depending on track experience.

    SATCAR has created a unique form of competition that provides high levels of safety for drivers and their cars combined with a handicap based scoring system that provides fairness for all drivers. The safety based format allows you to enter these events in your street car, or your race car. The scoring system allows a driver to win with 100 HP or 500 HP.

    SOUND LIKE FUN - IT IS!! More information can be obtained by visiting the SATCAR web site at: www.satcarracing.com. Register for our mailing list so we can keep in touch.

    For additional information or if you have questions, please call or write:
    Kern Fischer
    Phone: 630-232-6063
    E-mail: [email protected]

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    1,489

    Default

    racing street cars + safety = does not compute.
    Travis Nordwald
    1996 ITA Miata
    KC Region

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    newington, ct
    Posts
    4,182

    Default

    Oh, I don't know. It's not wheel-to-wheel racing in the traditional sense. I briefly skimmed through the rules and it sounds interesting. Without learning more about it, I really can's actually say it's safe or not. Here are a few line items...

    "Passing is allowed only on the longer straights. Corners must be driven in single file. Overly aggressive or unsafe driving will be subject to penalties and/or exclusion from the event.

    This racing format will reward, and provide wins for, those drivers who can run consistent lap
    times at or near, but no more than two seconds faster than, their qualifying times. Since vehicle
    capabilities are neutralized by the PPTs, SATCAR® races are DRIVING SKILL events.

    If two cars qualify at times that are close to equal, their PPT will be similar and they would
    leave the pits closely spaced at the start. If this situation occurs, the cars will be released in
    the time spacing indicated by the PPT and they will be allowed to race for 2-3 laps. If the
    slower car/driver in front is able to drive better and pull away from the faster car/driver behind,
    the car/driver in front will not be shown the passing flag. If the faster car/driver is able to drive
    better and is able to constantly stay within close proximity to the slower car/driver, the slower
    car/driver will be shown the passing flag and must permit and assist the pass. As above,
    once the pass is made, a repass by the slower car/driver is not allowed."
    Dave Gran
    Real Roads, Real Car Guys – Real World Road Tests
    Go Ahead - Take the Wheel's Free Guide to Racing

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    St. Charles, IL
    Posts
    2

    Default

    Travis, I understand your initial concern. As Dave points out, our rules provide a reasonable level of safety for all entrants in our events. The procedures are essentially the same as used in driving schools and open tracking events for many years. We do take safety a little further in that our passing zones are precisely defined by signage alongside the track. That way there are no ambiguities regarding whether a driver passed in a passing zone or was outside the zone.

    Our procedures were reviewed very early in the planning stages by K & K Insurance, which is the major insurance carrier for many motorsports events and for many tracks. They were satisfied with the risk factor involved and provide insurance at rates similar to those for driving schools.

    The entire SATCAR format has been designed to provide a suitable level of safety and to provide reasonable cost and fairness for all drivers in whatever car they bring to the event. I do not know of another form of road racing competition that combines all of these factors.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Sterling, VA
    Posts
    734

    Default

    But if you are basing things off of time you are racing. Wheel to wheel or against a clock you are still racing. When people race, we get ballzy, when we get ballzy we get stupid, we get stupid (without proper safety equipment) we get hurt.
    Spanky | #73 ITA 1990 Honda Civic WDCR SOLD | #73 ITA 1995 Honda Civic WDCR in progress |
    ** Sponsored by J&L Automotive (703) 327-5239 | Engineered Services, Inc. http://www.EngineeredServices.com **

    Isaac Rules | Build Pictures

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    IT.com "First Loser" Greensboro, NC USA
    Posts
    8,607

    Default

    My personal rule is that the INSTANT someone is recording and comparing lap times, it's a race. The focus shifts off of HPDE-oriented skill building to "making time" and it's rollcage time, baby.

    Kirk (who's been watching these things for long enough to know the danger signs)

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    Pickerington, Ohio
    Posts
    760

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kern Fischer View Post
    ...The entire SATCAR format has been designed to provide a suitable level of safety and to provide reasonable cost and fairness for all drivers in whatever car they bring to the event. I do not know of another form of road racing competition that combines all of these factors.
    There is one... Its called the SCCA.

    Suitable level of safety - check (Safety is a funny one. There is such a thing as "too much", but a basic set of safety requirements is a must when competing. Including things like cages. As stated above: "When people race, we get ballzy, when we get ballzy we get stupid, we get stupid (without proper safety equipment) we get hurt.")

    Reasonable cost - check (as reasonable as you want it to be)

    Fairness - check (classes are fairly balanced with a variety of cars in each class. Not a run what ya brung, but if that is your thing, there is a place for that too!)

    Matt
    (Who is afraid that groups like this are going to be the end of club racing - when insurance premiums are out of control and track dates are no longer available... but not in that order!)
    Matt Downing
    1995 Honda Civic EX Coupe - ITA
    Ohio Valley Region, SCCA

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    Wheaton, IL
    Posts
    1,893

    Default

    I've seen this fished around every single automotive forum I read, sometimes twice.

    The responses are always the same. Paraphrasing - 'that doesn't sound safe.'

    The rebuttals are always the same. Paraphrasing - 'yes it is, and our insurance company thinks so too'

    I made a few comments on the rules to one of the threads, noticing that they seem to try and outlaw racing tires, but don't really succeed. I also noted that the best car for this type of [:airquotes:] racing [/:airquotes:], would be the heaviest, lowest powered, softest handling thing you can find. I would lean towards an 80s Grand Marquis wagon myself, but maybe a good (sic)70s smogged out land yacht would be better.

    I'm not ready to buy it. Either it's not safe, or it's not racing. You don't need to go to a race track to do a TSD rallye. These posts are earning thier way into the spam column for me.
    Chris Schaafsma
    Golf 2 HProd

    AMT Racing Engines - DIYAutoTune.com

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •