Feb Fastrack

[jjjanos]

But I assure you David that it WAS the gist of his letter...what would you have written to sum up a letter asking for additional restrictions on the Prelude (one or many) in order to limit it's performance? Without seeing the letter and understand what was being asked for specifically, it is certain that what he was asking was to slow down the 'Lude.

1. Why were not the items he asked for listed? The document is electronic. Space is no longer an issue.

2. How do you know that the only reason he asked for these was to slow down the Prelude? Perhaps there were additional reasons why these items were requested.

[Andy Bettencourt]

1. Why were not the items he asked for listed? The document is electronic. Space is no longer an issue.

2. How do you know that the only reason he asked for these was to slow down the Prelude? Perhaps there were additional reasons why these items were requested.

1. If they published every letter - they would get half the letters. There is at least some sort of cloak right now. You should READ some of the stuff they get. Oye! I would love to print them all....

2. Because that is the raw nature of classes that allow comp adjustments. The never ending flow of 'please slow this car down because it is too fast' and 'please allow my car this special part so that it can compete with the XXX' e-mails come in daily.

I have seen enough of these type of letters to know that letter was a request to limit the Prelude's performance. One only has to check the last 3 years worth of qualifying and finish results in EP for Loshak to understand the basis for the letter.

[ddewhurst]

Andy, how about FACTS for Fastrack requests/responses.

Slow the Prelude/add weight/SIR/??? (Brakke) As jj said, it don't take much.

Now back to Loshak being that you brought his name up. How about you go look at qualifying and finish results in EP for Mr. Honda America Race Team who races a Prelude. He generally don't sniff the same air that Loshak smells. Now if a like car don't sniff the same air maybe there are reasons others don't sniff the same air. How about Texas Tommy, he smills the same air as Loshak the last three years. Add in Bob Neal, he likes front runners air. Do you think drivers age/ability plays a part in how fast a car is. Sorry for the rant about Loshak, he's good. Just as a side, Loshak had been involved in a letter writting request a couple years ago for another well preped E Production Alfa car out of the same shop & I didn't agree with what the guys were requesting. I see it as I say it or is that I say it as I see it. By the way, been watching Brakke race since his E Production Corvair days.

Andy, comment on the below. Good for the club, bad for the club.

Submitter name gets attached to the rejected requests (dunb ass) & no submitter name gets attached to the accecpted requests. It would be interesting to get the accecpted requestors name at the get go. Had the CRB put an SIR or 150 pounds on the Prelude Brakke's name would have never been connected OPENLY with the whole deal. I'm not picking on Brakke.

Have Fun
David

[Knestis]

There's a lot of wild hares and red herrings here but DD's got a legit point about the names. The requester (individual or entity w/i the club) SHOULD be attached to the public record, regardless of the outcome.

K

[Andy Bettencourt]

Andy, how about FACTS for Fastrack requests/responses.

Slow the Prelude/add weight/SIR/??? (Brakke) As jj said, it don't take much.

Now back to Loshak being that you brought his name up. How about you go look at qualifying and finish results in EP for Mr. Honda America Race Team who races a Prelude. He generally don't sniff the same air that Loshak smells. Now if a like car don't sniff the same air maybe there are reasons others don't sniff the same air. How about Texas Tommy, he smills the same air as Loshak the last three years. Add in Bob Neal, he likes front runners air. Do you think drivers age/ability plays a part in how fast a car is. Sorry for the rant about Loshak, he's good. Just as a side, Loshak had been involved in a letter writting request a couple years ago for another well preped E Production Alfa car out of the same shop & I didn't agree with what the guys were requesting. I see it as I say it or is that I say it as I see it. By the way, been watching Brakke race since his E Production Corvair days.

Andy, comment on the below. Good for the club, bad for the club.

Submitter name gets attached to the rejected requests (dunb ass) & no submitter name gets attached to the accecpted requests. It would be interesting to get the accecpted requestors name at the get go. Had the CRB put an SIR or 150 pounds on the Prelude Brakke's name would have never been connected OPENLY with the whole deal. I'm not picking on Brakke.

Have Fun
David

David,

I have to be honest with you - I have stopped reading most of your stuff because you write everything in code. It's just takes too long to have to decipher your issue. Is it really needed?

This request seems real simple to me. Loshak has developed a very fast package over the long term. His recent (3 years) success I am sure has prompted multiple requests to either slow him down or 'speed up' individual cars in order to compete. It happens every day and is the nature of all of these classs with comp adjustments. I have seen letters from a guy who won his class as the Runoffs from pole requesting that another type of car in class get 'limited'. Glad it's not IT. The summary in FT is probably dead on.

As far as getting more descriptive and publishing entire letters, I am all for it and will request somethiing to that effect the next call. I like it. I also like publishing the approved requests.

[lateapex911]

LOL....a request for a comp adjustment in Prod!?!?! un heard of! I actually never noticed that names weren't being published consistently...they should be.

I agree though that we have to be careful with the answers...sometimes less is more.

Like, if I had to publish the answer I was thinking when I got a phone call from a builder who told me his car was unfairly penalized for his success, and needed the weight that was added to it...taken off. Not out of line, you say? The car had just won it's class at the ARRCS that year.

[Bill Miller]

LOL....a request for a comp adjustment in Prod!?!?! un heard of! I actually never noticed that names weren't being published consistently...they should be.

I agree though that we have to be careful with the answers...sometimes less is more.

Like, if I had to publish the answer I was thinking when I got a phone call from a builder who told me his car was unfairly penalized for his success, and needed the weight that was added to it...taken off. Not out of line, you say? The car had just won it's class at the ARRCS that year.

What classes that run at the ARRC have cars that are adjusted based on on-track performance? And it makes you wonder why said person would be saying this to someone that's on an AdHoc for a category where adjustments are explicitly NOT based on on-track performance?

Back to DD's comment, there has been a glaring lack of consistency w.r.t. requesters names in terms of requests / affirmative results.

[ddewhurst]

***I have to be honest with you - I have stopped reading most of your stuff because you write everything in code. It's just takes too long to have to decipher your issue. Is it really needed?***

Andy, now ^ I feel ALL left out.

Submitter name gets attached to the rejected requests (dunb ass) & no submitter name gets attached to the accecpted requests.

John Schmidt's (nice guy) Prelude can't keep pace with Loshak's Prelude.

Maybe Brakke (nice guy) should step up his game a bit.

Any complaints from Thrash or Neal?

This request from Brakke is the same as the requests from others relative to Steve Sargis F car. I can't get my game together threfore you need to slow Sagris down. It was the same crap when Sargis was in a G car.

Is it fair to make adjustments because maybe the driver talent ain't equal.

I understand IT don't take into account driver talent.

Have Fun
David

ps: Sorry I responded Andy you don't read my code filled stuff. You are the one that brought up Loshak's name.

[lateapex911]

What classes that run at the ARRC have cars that are adjusted based on on-track performance?

None in IT.

And it makes you wonder why said person would be saying this to someone that's on an AdHoc for a category where adjustments are explicitly NOT based on on-track performance?

because that's the way it is in ITAC land, LOL. just another day.

(or, more to the point, because HE felt the car was punished in the FIRST place because THEY did a better job...and it wasn't about the car....it was a punishment of the effort....which is what many feel the old school prod method was.)

[Andy Bettencourt]

Dave,

When you make your stuff EASY to read - it gets read!

I can't pretend to understand the actual issues in Prod. EVERYONE thinks they are getting beaten by equipment...it's racing and most people don't have the ability to see why fast people are fast - hence the letters.

The CRB guys have a tough job. One that I would never want.

[Bill Miller]

None in IT.

because that's the way it is in ITAC land, LOL. just another day.

(or, more to the point, because HE felt the car was punished in the FIRST place because THEY did a better job...and it wasn't about the car....it was a punishment of the effort....which is what many feel the old school prod method was.)

Why so vague? How about just coming out and saying what you're talking about???

[Knestis]

... And it makes you wonder why said person would be saying this to someone that's on an AdHoc for a category where adjustments are explicitly NOT based on on-track performance? ...

I've only had a peek behind the curtain and it's already clear that no matter how many times it is explained that on-track performance and desires to speed up - or slow down - particular make/model IT cars have NO bearing on the process, people continue to base requests on exactly that kind of thinking.

K

[AntonioGG]

Andy, let them know that sometimes what is printed IS what was sent in. How many times did we get "Slow down the 99's" while I was on the SMAC?

I say publish everything. Publish complete letters, and complete AC minutes. What's everyone afraid of? If you believe you're doing the right thing for the class, nobody should be ashamed or afraid to let your position be exposed.

I bet you people write more eloquent and significant letters...so less of the less clear or nonsensical stuff would be OK with me.