Results, rumours and inuendo...

[Off Camber]

No Dog in this hunt but
top 4 slots on ITB grid VW Golf
And I think they finished 1-4 as well. Looks like some one needs to look at the classification or weight of this car.
The Honda was trying to spoil that till one of the GOlfs turned hiim into the wall comming onto the front straight.
Porsche and BMW 5 & 6

That said it was a good race to watch the golfs go back and forth.

Cheers SteveP

[lateapex911]

On site observers say that car was the Golf of Peter beran, and the result was a penalty from the officails. Revised order has Boie Gray as the winner, in Kirk Knestis "Pablo" VW Golf. Congrats to Kirk, Cameron, and of course, Bowie!

ITA is in the tech shed if my clock is correct, but no word yet.


This just in-
Joe Moser, Rober Moser, and AJ Nealy, all in CRXen. (Clearly the pundits were correct, it's NOT the car for RA, LOL>
Then Greg Amy (from 7th on grid) Then Ruck (teg) in 5th, Tom Lyman (teg) in 6th, and joe Diminio in the Sentra in 7th.

Bowie Gray had a one car issue in 7 on the first lap and couldn't continue. More as it develops.

[Knestis]

... Looks like some one needs to look at the classification or weight of this car. ...[/b]

I'm going to beat everyone to the punch and be the first to demand that the minimum weight of the Golf be increased 100# to 2450. It's not a competition adjustment, even though the request is based on the finish of a handful of cars at one race.

K

[RSTPerformance]

I think the Golfs are fine, we just need the Audi's to loose a 100, then it can be back to VW/Audi domination and those rice rockets can stick with ITA

Congrats to all the winners, looking forward to the stories!!!

Raymond "JK -> Just Kidding!!!" Blethen

[gran racing]

Kirk, I beat you to that punch a long time ago; just ask Jake G. & Andy. :P

Did I hear correctly that your rental rates just jumped up by $500?

[tk49]

I hope you guys will post provisionals,when available

Thanks

[GKR_17]

Results are up on mylaps.

www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=265565

[Fastfred92]

WOOOOW, I was worried all those light weight 944's would stink up the ITA race........... Oh wait I mean the ITS race

[Parrish57]

Observations from race 6:
ITR:
Taylor Robertson was strong in the 944 in ITR, but it's probably a good thing that the SPU overall leader lapped him. The left rear wheel might not have made another lap. Wheel bearing failure.
ITS:
Huffmaster was wicked fast. New track record of 1:39.564. I've never seen an ITS car carry so much speed in turn 1. Kip VanSteenburg was not far behind in the Miata until an unknown mechanical failure. Likewise for John Williams keeping his 240Z within striking distance of the lead until something under the hood caught fire. It was rumored that he kept going for a lap and a half until it gave out. Those retirements handed 2nd and 3rd to Tom Rogers and Kent Thompson in their RX7s. (Come to think of it, that was an RX7 1,2,3. Maybe we should "reward" them with some weight :P ) The battle between Tom and Kent was exciting from my viewpoint on the frontstretch but sounded even more thrilling through the voice of Greg Creamer on the PA. The no. 42 of Brian Ehmer was in 4th up until the end but faded to 9th. 4th was Rich Walke (RX7).

David Kim put his Z car in position for a respectable 5th place while David Spillman, Friday's Pro IT winner, struggled with a busted transmission and limped home in 11th.....

Congratulations to everyone!!!

[lateapex911]

Great info, Steve. Was Taylor the only ITR car?

So, the ITS race, at one point, was: RX-7, Miata, Z car, ???, RX-7, RX-7, Z car.
But in the end, it was: 7, 7, 7, 7, Zcar?

Were there any BMW E36s or E46s in ITS or ITR?

[jmark]

David Spillman winning the PRO IT ITS class in his 240Z. Sorry for the quality. Shot was taken at 1600 ISO. It was cloudy & dark by the time the race started.

[JeffYoung]

I think there were at least 3 ITR cars - Taylor, Gerald Potts (BMW) and Dan Jones.

ITS had Huffmaster (RX7), KVS (Miata), John Williams (240z), David Spillman (240z) running up front.

By the end it was Huffmaster (RX7), Rogers (RX7), Thompson (RX7), Wahle (RX7), Kim (280z).

Flynn did not come up with his E46 323, or did the guys from the Northeast come down with theirs. There was I believe a Prelude, two 944s, a 300zx, and several other RX7s in the field. Kind of down a bit this year compared to the variety we've seen at other places.

[Parrish57]

Great info, Steve. Was Taylor the only ITR car?

So, the ITS race, at one point, was: RX-7, Miata, Z car, ???, RX-7, RX-7, Z car.
But in the end, it was: 7, 7, 7, 7, Zcar?

Were there any BMW E36s or E46s in ITS or ITR?
[/b]

Sorry for the misconception... I couldn't remember the other ITR cars. There was a total of 4 starters, 3 finished. There was never a challenge in that class for the lead. Taylor was the only IT car that stayed on the lead lap. According to Mylaps Dan Jones was 2nd and Gerald Potts 3rd in ITR.....

[kthomas]

Were there any BMW E36s or E46s in ITS or ITR?
[/b]

E36's in ITS? Ha! Why bring a car that can't compete?
The whiners wanted it gone and they got their wish.

[JeffYoung]

Keith, I respect you, your knowledge and your willing ness to help anyone who posts on this board. Much appreciated, and I frankly consider you one of teh best guys on the board.

I do have a few observations on the above though.

1. This year was by far the "healthiest" year in ITS since I started racing in 2003. 15+ car fields at every track. Z cars, RX7s, 944s, Miatas, Acuras, hell even Triumphs running up front. While I disagree with the restrictor solution, I have to say that the problem with S in the 02-06 time frame was the BMW 325 and its either real or perceived overdoggedness.

2. At this point, with you guys not running the car anymore, can you tell us what a full tilt Sunbelt 325is made at the wheels unrestricted?

3. Would you consider running the car again at 3100 lbs?

4. Why not build a restricted 325is and prove them wrong -- show that it is competitive?

I never wanted the car gone. What I was in favor of is doing something about a 205-215 whp, independent suspension car with good brakes at 2860 lbs running in a class where the "gold standard" is about 170 whp at 2500 to 2600 lbs. Back in taht time frame, when I was first starting racing, nearly everyone I talked to talked about parked Zs and RX7s due to the BMW. At the time I didn't fully believe it, but given the full fields I saw in S this year compared to years past, I have to think there was somethig to it.

[RSTPerformance]

sweet another thread about bmw's... Please keep the thread on topic (ARRC) some of us are interested in the races!!! How did both beren and trever get penalized? Same incident or two seperate incidents?

[wbp]

As the title of the topic includes "rumours", I can report that they are: The bumping between 0 (Beran) and 60 (Trever) started over at turn 10, continued down the hill past 11, and the final contact on the front straight. Perhaps that gave justification for the one position each outcome.
I didn't see all of this of course, and I suppose no one person could unless they were in a following car.

[Harvey]

go jeremy!!! I wonder if they will check any track record cars... Even if they are not in the top 6...
[/b]

It is my understanding that the only thing checked on the ITB and ITC cars was gear ratio's. I would certainly like to see more checking across the board at this event. Tech was too busy at the time checking the Spec Miatas.

Les Chaney

[924Guy]

Wow what a race! JUST got home... had to go online of course and see what's up!

Yeah, the Wreck-Me-Otters were keeping both the stewards and Tech busy, seemed like the ITB/C tech was a little lighter, though they guys were there for a while... I didn't stick around the whole time to see all the details, though.

Had an absolute blast, first time there of course - I was the 9th qual, the guy not in the track record territory (pre-race, anyway) - put it down to inexperience there, some less-than-ideal chassis setup (though not horrendous), and mainly a less-than-fully-productive test day, rewarding as it was, due to some ignition misfire issues resurfacing (finally sorted out during qualifying). Right behind Albin, with Spencer in front of us.

Completely whiffed the start, got run over by a bunch of freakin' C cars up the hill (!) but of course there was a straight to fix that. Still between that and other traffic issues, getting by Chris, after the first two laps we'd given up seems like a couple hundred yards to the front 5 pack of B cars... who were all over eachother in a very tight, exciting race! We held ground for most of the rest of the race, but were too far back to really close back up and come to grips with them... we all messed around a little, then Albin dropped out just past halfway after Spencer got by him - not sure what happened there.

Had numerous other moments of excitement; most notable was lap 1 or 2 going 3-wide through 7 in the middle of a VW sandwich between Albin and the orange ITC Scirocco!! Pulled it out down to 9, though... Pretty exciting getting through a corner on 12 tires!

I had the occasional bobble, letting Spencer by, but he just didn't have the motor or aero to hang on the straight, so it was pretty much a no-brainer... about 5 laps to go we come onto the front straight as the waving yellow pops out for Trevor who's been escorted over to a nice piece of concrete, it seems, but I heard he hopped out and jumped over the barrier after the car was set. Some back and forth with Doug (Spencer), and working through the lap traffic, and managed to bring 'er home in 5th!

Nice to meet and play with so many great people and fellow competitors - looking forward to doing it again sometime!!! Just don't quite sign me up for next year just yet... still have to recover from all that towing! And a HUGE thanks to Off-Camber (Steve P.) and my other teammate Chris Marsh (#55 ITB 924) for the use of their rigs to get my stuff safely down and back without issue!

[GKR_17]

Why not build a restricted 325is and prove them wrong -- show that it is competitive?
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It's worth noting that none of the three unrestricted and lighter ITR E36's could run with the ITS leader. Not much chance of finding one competitive in ITS trim at this race.