View Poll Results: Pro course or no pro course?

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Thread: Track configuration 2008

  1. #21
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    I have to agree with Jake's original statements. I could get a great run out of #1, and get close to overtaking by the chicane, and have to back out of the pass in order to save everyone's life and limb into the chicane.

    That being said, I love the way that we run the multi-race weekend events at NHIS, using both the South Chicane and the Nascar oval. Some cars / drivers have advantages in each configuration, so this method kind of "evens it out." Why couldn't we do something like:

    Friday Practice / Test Day

    - Before lunch = chicane configuration
    - After lunch = Pro course configuration

    Saturday events = chicane course

    Sunday events = Pro course configuration

    In this format, even if you have not gotten there for Friday's testing, on Saturday you'll get somewhat used to the course, at least. And if we have a short practice first thing on Sunday (one 15 minute session?), then you'd at least get a feel for the Pro course?

    If it has to be one or the other - I vote for more passing zones - Pro Course.

    later,

    Tim M
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  2. #22
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    My vote is for chicane on Saturday, pro course on Sunday.
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    I was going to wait till after the ARRC to start looking for input for next years race but you've beat me to it.

    How did the guys at the NASA nationals handle the "pro course"?

    Was there a lot of local and full course yellows because of incidents in the keyhole?

    If we do go with the "pro course" I would say it would be used for the entire weekend including the test groups on Friday.
    Todd
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    Todd,

    The worst incedent there all weekend was when Colin Botha cut a brake line going in and rolled the car. As far as any other incedents nothing to crazy went on. I even watched the spec miata's and there were only a few spins.
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    I voted Club. I like the idea of running the configuration that the 'locals' run and trying to shoot for their track records at the event.

    Having said that, I also like the fact a premier event can have it's own track records. It would be the only time IT officially ran that config all year - right? Interesting.........

    If you do it both ways in one weekend, you lose the third (middle) race. Wouldn't the qualifying race have to be the same configuration as the race that it is qualifying for?

    Either way, we are bringing 5 cars in 08.
    Andy Bettencourt
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  5. #25
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    I don't care if I get beat by the CRXs. Club is way more challenging as a driver. Pro course just turns it into a drag race. I've done 3 Runoffs on Pro (SSC, SSC, & T2) and given a choice I'll take Club every time.
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    ...Having said that, I also like the fact a premier event can have it's own track records. It would be the only time IT officially ran that config all year - right? Interesting............[/b]
    No - OVR Runs the Club Course one day and the Pro Course the next at the Double Regional.
    Matt Downing
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  7. #27
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    i voted club because it is more fun.

    but i will be there either way. the combo would be good too. it is all good at mid-ohio.

    and with regards to passing zones, it helps me as much as it hurts me. the bmw's i am trying to catch can be caught some in the chicane and keep me closer for the back straight.

    the bmw's that are trying to catch me will have a better run on me and try to overtake me there.

    so if it is better for me or worse depends on if i am chasing or being chased. and both of those make for fun racing.
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    pro course please. one of the selling points to this event is a national level event to prepare for NASA nationals. I know that region wants those NASA cars for this event.

    Since that is the case, pro course is required.


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    could we vote with our entry fees next year?

    i think that those attending should have more say or maybe those than attended this past year?

    just a thought.

    i will be there either way and i would understand if the nasa thing caused the pro to be picked. but how many were actually there for the IT Festival and NASA Nationals, half a dozen?

    tom
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    I voted Club. I like the idea of running the configuration that the 'locals' run and trying to shoot for their track records at the event.

    Having said that, I also like the fact a premier event can have it's own track records. It would be the only time IT officially ran that config all year - right? Interesting.........

    If you do it both ways in one weekend, you lose the third (middle) race. Wouldn't the qualifying race have to be the same configuration as the race that it is qualifying for?

    Either way, we are bringing 5 cars in 08.
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    Andy

    The locals do run more Club than Pro course.

    I think SCCA only keeps "non-runoff" records at Mid Ohio from the Club configuration. And we had two new IT track records recorded at the event!

    I would agree that the Sunday morning qualifying race would have to be the same configuration.

    I'm glad to hear your coming!

    Todd


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    pro course..
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    pro course..
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    Why?? Do you think it will be harder on tires??
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  13. #33
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    Could we add "both" on the poll? Thats what I would vote for.
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    Do them both like I suggested last year.


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    Sorry
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    "Both" is an excellent idea.
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    Remember, BOTH means you can't run the triple race format like last year.
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    Why?? Do you think it will be harder on tires??
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    No.....

    Because when I am out there I want nothing in the way of you seeing my tailights......


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