September fastrack

[JamesB]

UHHh yeah, good luck proving that one. Where can I get a set of them rosy colored glasses??
R
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Doug is a great driver, his car is a great build, his motor has 100k+ miles on it and its not an IT build. Yet he is still pulling off a good race. So when a full tilt IT motor proves he has no chance in hell at the current weight, he might be able to justify the best weight and a reason to move to ITB. end of story.

And I dont like rose color glasses, they skew your vision.

[Doc Bro]

Doug is a great driver, his car is a great build, his motor has 100k+ miles on it and its not an IT build. Yet he is still pulling off a good race. So when a full tilt IT motor proves he has no chance in hell at the current weight, he might be able to justify the best weight and a reason to move to ITB. end of story.

And I dont like rose color glasses, they skew your vision.
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James, Sarcasm's not lost on you.

R

[JamesB]

It usually is....

[Tkczecheredflag]

Heh. That was my letter. I requested that the ITAC publish *exactly* how each car's weight is derived and even suggested it go in the GCR. I think that info should be publicly published. The ITAC doesn't. I'll leave it at that and you can ask yourself why they wouldn't want to publish that info. I've already been back and forth with Andy privately on it.

I also sent in a letter opposing the new ECU rule. 5 letters total (for/against) is pretty pathetic considering how much debate was had just on this forum.

David
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David - I have to tell you, I am pretty ignorant to the procees for all proposed rule changes - My own fault, I know I should know - I plead guilty as charged.

Would someone be interested in starting a thread that explains the process and how we are supposed to act and react to proposed changes. What is the role of the CRB and ITAC - who gets selected and how? I've been around for a while but I don't know the policies and procedures. Heck - I'm looking up what ITAC stands for right now.

[dominojd]

. Heck - I'm looking up what ITAC stands for right now.
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Jeez Timmy I even know that one Improved Touring Advisory Commity.

You must have been the kid that sat in the back of the class room and paid attention even less than I did.

[Chris Wire]

I also sent in a letter opposing the new ECU rule. 5 letters total (for/against) is pretty pathetic considering how much debate was had just on this forum.

David
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You're right, David. I just sent my letter.

[planet6racing]

I also sent in a letter opposing the new ECU rule. 5 letters total (for/against) is pretty pathetic considering how much debate was had just on this forum.

David
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I think there are more letters. These notes are from the meeting held on August 7th, 2007. I'm pretty certain that is on or about when I sent my letter. Wait, check that. I sent my letter 7/25/07. So, I guess I'm one of the 5! That doesn't make me feel so good...

[BlueStreak]

I think I like the idea of Dual Classing on this one.... It actually would be a fun car dual classed to purchase with a friend. I bet it would be a front runner in ITB, and even at the higher weight for ITB trim it would still be fun in ITA with so many people in that class these days.

Raymond "Thinking outside the box again " blethen
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I would love dual classing via weight adjustments. The weight on my car has been adjusted down (as it was needed in IT to 2080. Problem is, the driver is 250lbs, and it is MUCH easier to bolt in weight and change classes than it is for me to start amputating body parts

Seriously, with suit, gloves, boots, helmet, and me, I bet I'm ~265, that means the car has to make 1815. Then if I want on board water, coolsuit, camcorder, radio, all that has to come off the 1815.

The only thing left to do is rebuild the cage to save weight, and I ain't gonna.......OK I'll shut up now

[erlrich]

David,
I think part of the problem is that many people are a bit uncertain the true ramifications of the ECU rule, I know that I am. [/b]

That, and maybe there are a few guys out there who wrote letters the first time around, and have figured out that this was a done deal a long time ago.

Geez, I'm starting to sound like...naw, let's not go there.

[lateapex911]

Regarding the ECU letters, we have, I think, a dozen or so.

Timmy, read Fastrack. You can get an email informing you that it's been released every month by going to SCCA and setting it up in the "Garage" section, I think. Or just go there every month around the 20th. you can read what the ITAC is discussiong, has rejected, or proposed.

Or, if you feel something needs fixing, feel free to write a letter to the ITA or the CRB, and we'll discuss it.

[Andy Bettencourt]

To clarify Jake's note - a dozen since the rule recommendation came out in FT. Most people weighed in when the CRB asked for input - and probably don't feel the need to.

[lateapex911]

Right, if I recall, we had over 50 letters about it the first time around, which makes it the most highly responded to item in memory.

[nip_mr2]

Grand Racing,

I was not trying to inform people of my car! Just the MR2 in general for compition. My on track performance as nothing to do with thread, or me coming to race in the NARRC.

[benspeed]

OK - taking my GT2 question to another forum - if I can find one that applies. On edit - what the heck - I sent my letter.

My letter in favor of the ECU rule change has been sent.

[gran racing]

Well Doug, re-read you original post and it sure sounds like it. But anyway... It's just too bad the MR2 will be dieing a slow death in ITA.

[Tkczecheredflag]

Jeez Timmy I even know that one Improved Touring Advisory Commity.

You must have been the kid that sat in the back of the class room and paid attention even less than I did.
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Joe - Maybe it was just easier for me to follow and understand Fastrack when I could bring a copy of SportsCar in the can with me to read the insert. Honestly though - I think had a senior moment regarding ITAC - ya think?

[nip_mr2]

Grand Racing,

Maybe I should have been more clear on my 1st post. I was just trying to say the car is under powered in ITA and will be over weight and under powered if it got moved to ITB. I was just trying to use my little expirence on the track as an example.

Look, I'm not out to cut anyone down or to make people think I some God behind the wheel of a race car. I'm not. I enjoy racing and trying to be competitive within the group. I don't have a lot of money or time to put into the car I'm driving. Believe me I would love to, but I'm doing the best I can with what I have. Brian Duka build my car about 6 years ago. I bought it off of him last this year. I would have never been able to drive if I had to build a car. As far as competing with front running cars In MARRS and any other series even if the car is built to IT specs. I know it will not perform. Yes the car will die a slow death in ITA, along with getting run over by the second gen MR2.


Thank you JamesB. I understand fully what you are saying about my car.

Sorry again and thank you.

Doug

[Rabbit07]

Doesn't the early MR2 have the same drivetrain as the GEO Prism GSI that is in ITB? Seems strange to me that the car is in ITA. I have been on track with these cars and they are not ITA competitive.

just my $.02

[Chris Wire]

Doesn't the early MR2 have the same drivetrain as the GEO Prism GSI that is in ITB? Seems strange to me that the car is in ITA. I have been on track with these cars and they are not ITA competitive.
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Yes, and the same powertrain as the Corolla GTS, which is also an underdog in ITA. I raced a Corolla GTS at the ARRC in '00 and it is clearly outclassed against the current front runners, 240SX, CRX, Integra, and probably the Miata as well (although I never raced head to head against one).

[dominojd]

Joe - Maybe it was just easier for me to follow and understand Fastrack when I could bring a copy of SportsCar in the can with me to read the insert. Honestly though - I think had a senior moment regarding ITAC - ya think?
[/b]

I also enjoyed Fasttrack that way too. Now I don't even read it. I get the abridged version here.

Come on Timmy your not that old, 60 right? :P