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  1. #1
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    I worked as a corner worker for two years before grtting behind the wheel. I was told by my trainer that if a driver passed another under a local yellow flag before clearing the incident he was guilty of PUY. If the car he had passed passes him back before clearing the incident then he too was guilty of PUY, and we were to report both. There are some extenuating circumstances to consider. If the pass is COMPLETED before the passing car reaches a line from the center of the flag station to the far side of the track (at 90* to the edge of the track. in other words straight accross the track) it is a legal pass. A pass is complete when there is no overlap between the two cars. The no passing zone is from a line from the center of the flag station to the far side of the track to far end of the incident. If you are in the process of passing and back off before that line there is no foul. If you wish to be chivalrous and give the position back wait until you have cleared the incident, or if it was on a double yellow wait until the yellow drops. That way you won't cause your opponent to PUY.

    As a corner worker I was tought that if two cars are approaching the line at the flag station while overlaped and the rear most car is increasing the overlap he or she is defacto passing. The person must either complete the pass or back off before crossing the line other wise he or she is guilty of PUY.

    Chuck

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    A pass is complete when there is no overlap between the two cars.
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    As a corner worker I was tought that if two cars are approaching the line at the flag station while overlaped and the rear most car is increasing the overlap he or she is defacto passing. The person must either complete the pass or back off before crossing the line other wise he or she is guilty of PUY. [/b]
    A pass occurs when the nose of the overtaking car breaks the plane of the the overtaken car. If the overtaking car breaks that plane, it does not matter whether there is overlap - a pass has occured. This is the standard that would be used if the cars were being scored at the S/F line.

    A following car may decrease any overlap without committing a pass under yellow - as long as the plane is not crossed. Pass - verb to move past; go by: to pass another car on the road. There is nothing in the GCR that says that I cannot gain an advantage (i.e. reduce the overlap) under a yellow flag.

    Now, the overtaking car might be guilty of not displaying sufficient caution, but that's another issue and much more difficult to prove since it is a judgment call.

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    ... I was told by my trainer that if a driver passed another under a local yellow flag before clearing the incident he was guilty of PUY. If the car he had passed passes him back before clearing the incident then he too was guilty of PUY, and we were to report both. ...
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    As a corner worker, I'll say "report everything from the corners". The Stewards are the judges, not us out on the corners. Now, I certainly "annotate" my reports with things like "seemed unavoidable ... appeared to be a racing incident", or "appeared intentional, seemed ill-advised" if Race Control asks, or there's a written report, but in the final analysis, it's up to the Stewards, not the corners.
    Doug "Lefty" Franklin
    NutDriver Racing
    ITA/IT7 RX-7 and SPU Baby Grand
    Flagging & Communication
    SEDiv/AtlRegion

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