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    I am a not only a rooky to Limerock but a fairly new racer who is headed to Limerock this week. Here is the challenge to the all you IT racers who are part of the "Good Old Boy's Club". Who wants to volonteer to coach this rooky on the art of getting around Limerock

    Seriously I would appreciate any tips or advice any of you that will be there can share with me. It will also be nice to put faces to the names.
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    Help us out with a name, and a car and class.

    Lime Rock is a bit intimidating, due to the lack of run off room, and the need to hit the higher speed corners "just right". Concentrate on the basics, and don't early apex in the back if you can help it. It's all about momentum and a few extra lifts kill you.

    But, lets hear what the real experts say....)
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    If it's a Miata, I may be able to help...
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    Yes it is a Miata. It is a 1990 1.6

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    Find us in A paddock and we can discuss. Bring some brass ones!
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    No brakes in the downhill......dave

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    Jim, Andy is the guy to speak with for Miata's at LRP. By any chance are you going to do the SCDA Friday and/or SCDA HPDE event? If so, I'd be more than willing to give you a hand. Yeah, I know, it's after the SCCA race this weekend.
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    Dave

    I wish there was an SCDA event before the event to get some track time and aquaint myself with the track.

    I will definatley look up Andy and seek out his advice. With me it will not about being up front fast, but be about being safe and smart.

    I have been on the track once at a COM event, but my event was cut short as I lost it on the downhill and stuffed the car into the guardrail.

    I will thank everyone in advance for your help.

    What is a good time to get to the track on Thursday?
    Jim Alley
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    You won't get in until registration opens.
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    I have been on the track once at a COM event, but my event was cut short as I lost it on the downhill and stuffed the car into the guardrail.
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    Lesson 1: Why did you stuff it in the Downhill???

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    One of the people who used to be the chief instructor for the region used the same line all the time when asked this very question:

    "Keep your wheels on the black stuff."
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    There's plenty of video out there with IT racers. Watch 'em, watch 'em again, and again, etc..........

    One thing they teach you at the car clubs is to brake into Big Bend with the wheels still straight (classic brake, turn in, feed the power). You can go MUCH deeper into Big Bend than you think, staying on the brakes until at least the bridge and using the turn to scrub speed.

    But then again, after Pocono, I'm the LAST person you want advice from.............Yeah, talk to Andy.........
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    Jim - If it rains, I use an interesting line (traditonal Skippy) that you might find helpful. We are usually in Paddock A.

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    Thanks for all the bits of information. Being a relatively new member of the ITA community it is nice to know there are competitors out there that are willing to reach out and help a fellow member.

    To answer the question of how I lost it in big bend, the simple answer is brain fade and an expensive learning curve. I tapped the brakes lightly after turn in.

    I look forward to saying hello to as many IT people as possible.
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    Jim, If you have an off in the downhill try to catch the car (keep it heading relatively straight) even if you have to turn left. If you can keep the car relatively straight you can run in the dirt on track left and still be okay. Don't try to do too many things at once if you've made a mistake in the downhill. You'll be surprised how badly you can lose it there and still be ok. You'll need spare shorts, but you'll be okay. The guys who ball it up bad there tend to try to correct too soon and end up crashing track right. If you do find it uncatchable then both feet in. Keep your crash to yourself!!!

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    If you do find it uncatchable then both feet in. Keep your crash to yourself!!!
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    That si the only thing I did right. I realized it was beyond hope and put two feet in.

    I am looking forward to getting back on track and learning from others how to put down a respectable lap time
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    Hi Jim, I actually think I was at that COM event. That downhill is pretty scary, the track has gotten really bumpy the past few years. Best of luck out there, I have been there only 4 days, sadly enough, so there will be two rookies out there. Maybe some of the IT guys can show a dumb kid in Touring how it's done
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    Yo Rookie - these guys are forgetting the best advice - finish the race. If you're still learning the line and aren't at the point where you can put the car into a turn at maximum traction, just keep the eyes forward, watch the traffic and look for the leaders coming up in about 8 laps. Hold your line and let the leaders go around you - be predictable - do not make any fast lane changes to try and accomodate cars behind you. Sometimes those nice guy moves end up costing lots of $$.

    This race should be about experiencing wheel to wheel without contact. It's very appreciated if you give a point by. Don't do any crazy stuff on the start - watch and learn - hold your line. Big bend collects cars who dart around looking for that one extra position in the first turn of a race.

    You'll definitely have a couple of cars to dice with and really race. Do not try to flat foot the downhill - that's expensive advice. Whoever said that if you are losing it on the downhill was correct - straighten up and run through the dirt and don't try to jerk the car back on track until its settled.

    Finish and your checkbook will thank you!
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    One more dumb question... will LRP be open for car drop offs late tonight? I am leaving right after work but don't expect to be there until 8 or 9PM.
    Charles K.
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