Best of luck going forward, and thanks for taking on the thankless task. I'm sure we'll be talking more...
Best of luck going forward, and thanks for taking on the thankless task. I'm sure we'll be talking more...
Congrats and best of luck to you Josh! I really commend your courage and dedication in accepting this in light of recent developments.
So, any updates on things available?
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My intent was to send something on the Friday before each call, but just for Jake, this month's will go early:
The next call is next Monday, 3/22/10.
In the March Fastrack, the CRB published a request for member input about engine mount allowances in IT, and the response has been fantastic. We have 40+ letters on the topic, which I think may be more than we ever got in response to requests for input about the ECU rules, and that request was published over many months. A new record, I'm pretty sure. I expect to close out this issue during next week's call.
Overall, the letters to be discussed (as of today) include 2 rule changes, 7 requests to look at existing listings, and 7 requests for new listings.
I know you're all wondering how we're going to operate with respect to the adjustments of existing listings. For the moment, we will be following the rules. That means that listings that have been around for a long time are not really adjustable, unless it can be shown that there is a real error. One example of such an error would be two cars that are, for all practical purposes, the same as each other, yet have wildly different weights (or even different CLASSES, as is highlighted in one of this month's letters.) By "same," I don't mean '88 Honda 1.6L vs. '99 Mazda 1.6L here. I mean ... the same parts in the drivetrain, the same or essentially identical chassis, etc. Recently, both Honda and BMW listings have fallen into this category and have been adjusted as errors, and we will continue to correct such errors as they are identified.
There is also a mechanism to change the rules, and I know that a lot of you are in favor of doing that (and I think that many of you are not, as well). As chair of the committee I will certainly be open to such a request, but please understand that any rule change of that nature will be conducted with due care, with input from the committee, from the CRB, from the members, and ultimately, from the BOD.
Josh
Josh Sirota
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Thanks for the update Josh.
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Do you mean a rule change in reference to using the/a formula? I've heard it called a comp adjustment and yes, that would be a rules change. But what's the definition of a comp adjustment? Using a formula to correct weights is not a comp adjustment (nor rules change) in my book.......... Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying? Which is very possible since it's been a looong day and I'm tired!!
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Without totally understanding the differences between those two cars, they could be. One reason why they might be in different classes appropriately though is if their achievable weight in IT trim is dramatically different. I think that might have been the belief with those cars but I'm not sure.
Also, in my opinion the Volvo/Alfa examples mentioned above could also be considered similar errors (speaking as an individual, not as the ITAC here), but we'd need to discuss them in committee. We have some letters regarding the Volvos so we'll see where that goes.
Josh Sirota
ITR '99 BMW Z3 Coupe
The next call is next Monday, 4/26/10.
We have quite a lot of items on the agenda this month. We will continue to discuss the proposal for which we asked for member input, the engine mount allowance for IT. There are 5 additional letters asking for new allowances in IT as well.
In terms of classifications and weights, we have requests for 5 new classifications and requests to adjust 7 existing ones. I think most of these are actionable at this point and we should be able to bring closure to many of them next week.
Josh
Josh Sirota
ITR '99 BMW Z3 Coupe
Josh, I'm SOOOOO confused with what's going on and what the current direction / stance on things are right now. I had thought that no cars already classed were going to be up for review and weight or class changes. Then the Civic si gets reclassed which has been in ITS for a long, long time. Now requests are coming in for other existing cars? Are they getting the "no changes will be allowed" response? If not, what has happened to all of the previous cars that were being reviewed and had letters sent in? I know I've never seen anything posted on my request and it's been a damn long time even though it had been reviewed. I'm sure many other people haven't received answers.and requests to adjust 7 existing ones
At least from a membership perspective, one day it's this is okay the next day it's not. It would at least nice to see some consistancy. I recognize that you personally might not have control of some of these items but maybe you can shed some light on these?
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