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    I hate to ask questions as it shows how little I know, but here goes.
    What benefit and how does a fuel pressure regulator work for a 1st gen miata (95)? I saw that Bob had one on his ITA Miata at ARRC. (Just so I don't look totally dumb) I guess it would help lean out the A/F mixture? How do they work ie manually, do they overide the ECU?
    Mac Spikes
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    The ECU does not control fuel pressure. In a racing context (WOT), the ECU does not use any feedback to control mixture. It controls the opening duration of the fuel injectors based on RPM, air flow/pressure, air & water temp, etc. With a certain opening duration, the amount of fuel squirted is proportional to fuel pressure (or pressure squared or cubed - I forget). By adjusting the fuel pressure you can move the air/fuel ratio up or down across the entire RPM/load spectrum. If there are rich or lean spikes, adjusting fuel pressure will not remove them.
    Marty Doane
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    Flow is a function of delta of squared pressures across the injector.

    Raises a question I've been pondering. Is there any way to evaluate need for/benefit from increased fuel pressure other than making back-to-back dyno runs at various fuel pressure setting?

    Also begs question of EGT. If fuel/air mix gets too lean, possible to burn an exhaust valve. Anybody got thoughts/guidelines on that?
    Lea Williams, Santa Fe, NM - ITA '94 Miata
    Champion, 2007-2008, SCCA Rocky Mtn Div ITA

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    Raises a question I've been pondering. Is there any way to evaluate need for/benefit from increased fuel pressure other than making back-to-back dyno runs at various fuel pressure setting?[/b]
    A proper way? No.


    Also begs question of EGT. If fuel/air mix gets too lean, possible to burn an exhaust valve. Anybody got thoughts/guidelines on that?
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    EGT is determined by more than mixture. A seriously rich mixture combined with seriously retarded timing can produce very high EGTs. Tune for fuel mixture with your wideband and a dyno. Optimum mixture for peak power should fall within a relatively safe range of EGT. Next tune ignition timing based on dyno results. Most IT engines will be able to run MBT (minimum best timing) without a knock issue. If there is knock you need to either bring more octane to the table, fix a possible problem, or decide how much power you are willing to sacrifice.
    Chris Ludwig
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    Flow is a function of delta of squared pressures across the injector.

    Raises a question I've been pondering. Is there any way to evaluate need for/benefit from increased fuel pressure other than making back-to-back dyno runs at various fuel pressure setting?

    Also begs question of EGT. If fuel/air mix gets too lean, possible to burn an exhaust valve. Anybody got thoughts/guidelines on that?
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    Gee, look who showed up here. Welcome to the party!

    Chris is right, you could adjust, run a few laps while watching the instruments, adjust, etc., but the dyno is the way to go.
    Ty Till
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    Yes, Ty, I guess this means I'm officially out of the Spec Miata community and in the IT community.
    Lea Williams, Santa Fe, NM - ITA '94 Miata
    Champion, 2007-2008, SCCA Rocky Mtn Div ITA

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    Now you can hang with the cool guys.

    Ty Till
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