944S

**robits325is** · 07-31-2006, 10:57 PM

Hey BMW guy,its nice to see someone else bringing their own condoms just to be on the safe side trying to get a break form the board.

While they are wearing your a$$ out they were leaving us alone for a change

No harm done I hope just kidding some. There is no way 275 comes from a 44S in ITS trim. A good stock engine with tricked exhaust and intake should do very nicely in ITS. The rest is set up,data and driving. Data is worth far more than given credit on any car. Its not cheap either. HP loss through the drive train on the 44S is 20%. a few tricks can cut some of that off and its ITS legal but hard on the parts and short life through the tube. Fooling with the rear end of the car to bring it into the US can be changed and the back end stays put better. Looks like fun to me.

Lawrence
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My estimate of 275hp was based on previous on-track experience. When I ran my unrestricted E-36 a few years ago vs. other E-36 cars and some fast Mazdas the straight away speeds were about the same at Lime Rock and NHIS. Now in my E-46 the restricted E-36s are slower and the Mazdas are close but not quite as fast but the 944s are noticeably faster in the second half of the straights. Aero? not tangible according to the ITAC. Exit speed? None of the 944s handle as well as a RX-7 or either BMW. Power? that must be it by default. Since the unrestricted BMWs make 250hp+ according to the data sheets on file with the SCCA than the 944s must have at least 20hp more if it handles worse but accelerates better and weighs the same at 2,850. right? Seems logical to me.

Relax Andy - I am joking. Beating the 944s is a challenge and I look forward to it. So far this year the 944s has won every dry race in the NE Region this year except for the chicane/chicane course at NHIS (all handling track) I have another trip to the dyno planned next week for some hot weather tuning so maybe I'll find another 25hp - wouldn't that be nice.

**lateapex911** · 08-01-2006, 01:24 AM

One thing to remeber about the 944 at the Glen. Thats a pretty well sorted effort, and Chris Camedella has like a gazillion laps there. He lives a half hour away.

Also, Kip V has been known to get nearly every cars he's sat in around the track faster than nearly anyone else in that car. He's no rookie.

I think you should make some side bets with those guys about who sets a faster lap at the ARRCs..

**it7rx739** · 08-01-2006, 09:24 AM

Hey,guys I got 1 FOR SALE 88 944 S street car red very good shape
PH 770-720-2039 I'M in GA

**wpspeedracer** · 08-01-2006, 09:26 AM

Not to dilute this conversation, but , I see that Kip V will be at Daytona this weekend - I am curious to see how a well prepared - sorted S will do on a High Horsepower track against Irish Mike, the Speed Source RX-7's, and the couple of Bimmers there.... It will give me something to work towards. I'm sure there is another second or two in my S with a better driver, however, I'll be looking at pull-away speed on the straights and banks where usually those cars out pull me and leave me in the dust just from shear horsepower (and power to weight ratio) which is what this thread originally was started on.....

mark

**RussJones** · 08-01-2006, 10:52 AM

"So far this year the 944s has won every dry race in the NE Region this year except for the chicane/chicane course at NHIS" quote Rob.

Sorry wrong, Tim Estes won in his RX7 memorial day weekend, and Jeff (Nicks old RX7)was winning with 2 laps to go (pig roast) when he made a mistake and spun, I was behind him and NOT catching up. No matter how you want to spin this, im sorry but the class (ITS) now in a well preparred car is any one's race. Its been proved and lap times are dead-nuts even.

Russ

**JeffYoung** · 08-01-2006, 11:03 AM

323, 325, 240z, RX7, 944s, hell even a Corrado -- ITS is looking great this year.

**Fastfred92** · 08-02-2006, 11:57 AM

323, 325, 240z, RX7, 944s, hell even a Corrado -- ITS is looking great this year.
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Sold my VR6 too soon..............

**Andy Bettencourt** · 08-03-2006, 11:58 AM

My estimate of 275hp was based on previous on-track experience. When I ran my unrestricted E-36 a few years ago vs. other E-36 cars and some fast Mazdas the straight away speeds were about the same at Lime Rock and NHIS. Now in my E-46 the restricted E-36s are slower and the Mazdas are close but not quite as fast but the 944s are noticeably faster in the second half of the straights. Aero? not tangible according to the ITAC. Exit speed? None of the 944s handle as well as a RX-7 or either BMW. Power? that must be it by default. Since the unrestricted BMWs make 250hp+ according to the data sheets on file with the SCCA than the 944s must have at least 20hp more if it handles worse but accelerates better and weighs the same at 2,850. right? Seems logical to me.

Relax Andy - I am joking. Beating the 944s is a challenge and I look forward to it. So far this year the 944s has won every dry race in the NE Region this year except for the chicane/chicane course at NHIS (all handling track) I have another trip to the dyno planned next week for some hot weather tuning so maybe I'll find another 25hp - wouldn't that be nice.
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Should have predicted a letter was coming from you...

**JeffYoung** · 08-03-2006, 12:07 PM

Is this the Autotechnic guy who had the webpage with the subframe welds and seam welds on the 325is?

**robits325is** · 08-03-2006, 12:15 PM

Should have predicted a letter was coming from you...

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I only requested that the weight for the E-46 323i in ITS be lowered slightly.

**Andy Bettencourt** · 08-03-2006, 12:31 PM

I only requested that the weight for the E-46 323i in ITS be lowered slightly. [/b]

Care to share your definition of 'slightly'? :P

**zracre** · 08-03-2006, 12:46 PM

Ok I have a friend with a 944 I think of 1987 vintage (S?) that would probably be a great donor car or race project. I know it drove to his house but is in need of lots of TLC...the body looks straight but the interior is a wreck. I didn't put it in classifieds because it is not mine but I know he desparately wants it out of his garage...he has a new GTO. PM me if inerested or with any questions...I will supply you with his number and answer as best as I can. I think he will take $1500 for it. my email is zracre at aol dot com

**robits325is** · 08-03-2006, 01:10 PM

Care to share your definition of 'slightly'? :P
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100lbs would be nice

**Andy Bettencourt** · 08-03-2006, 01:16 PM

100lbs would be nice
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You are killing me.

**robits325is** · 08-03-2006, 01:19 PM

You are killing me.
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yeah yeah yeah you love it

**dj10** · 08-03-2006, 02:13 PM

100lbs would be nice
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I bet it would

**Andy Bettencourt** · 08-03-2006, 02:27 PM

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I bet it would

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Except my boy Rob asked for 200lbs...at a minimum 100lbs...

It's all good, he is the best dressed in the paddock.

**robits325is** · 08-03-2006, 03:29 PM

Except my boy Rob asked for 200lbs...at a minimum 100lbs...

It's all good, he is the best dressed in the paddock.

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I didn't think you noticed my Flatspot Motorsport colored stripped shirt...... (Bright Blue with orange and white)

I'll wear it again at Lime Rock later this month.

**Andy Bettencourt** · 08-03-2006, 04:03 PM

It's the pennies in the loafers that drive the grid girls wild.

**dj10** · 08-04-2006, 11:39 AM

Except my boy Rob asked for 200lbs...at a minimum 100lbs...

It's all good, he is the best dressed in the paddock.

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If he get's a 100#'s off, I want my SIR off............but I'll settle for a 3mm increase. For that I'll let Rob wear your underwear (if you wear them) over his head @ LRP.

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