Any Updates on Head and Neck Restraints from SCCA?

[gsbaker]

...But..it sure looks that way, and that in itself is a huge problem.[/b]

Expect to see more of this. HANS claims over 100 dealers.

[gran racing]

Thanks Bruce - just wasn't sure what his background / involvement was.

[Wreckerboy]

Thanks for the background - it's very enlightening, almost frighteningly so.

I want to assume that based upon his professional chops, he does what comes naturally for a living and to contribute to the sport by doing the right thing based upon what he knows. I'm not quite that naive anymore, however, and share the concerns voiced above about potential conflicts of interest. His BMW affiliation might also help, at least in part, to explain why BMWCCA adopted the SFI spec as well.

[leggwork]

contributing to the SFI decision in BMWCCA club racing (this is conjecture, not direct knowledge)
-the first death in BMW CCA club racing occurred last year - some believe an HNR would have helped
-insurers were threatening dramatic increases
-the 800 member CR organization has zero resources to be able to devote to assessing HNR's, so they chose a defensible standard

If Joe comes off as a hans cheerleader, a large part is because he has directly witnessed the before and after results.

That bio from justracing.com says that the SCCA safety committee is made up of 6 people. I don't know where to look up committee memberships to confirm.
cheers,
bruce
p.s. I don't own a Hans

Thanks for the background - it's very enlightening, almost frighteningly so.

I want to assume that based upon his professional chops, he does what comes naturally for a living and to contribute to the sport by doing the right thing based upon what he knows. I'm not quite that naive anymore, however, and share the concerns voiced above about potential conflicts of interest. His BMW affiliation might also help, at least in part, to explain why BMWCCA adopted the SFI spec as well.
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[JimLill]

Club Racing Safety Committee
Joe Marko
Arnie Kuhns
Ed Ozment <-- husband of Terry Ozment, Director of Club Racing

[gprodracer]

Damn,
Where is Matt Weisberg when we need him!!!!???
Oh, that&#39;s right, he&#39;s debating the insurance money disparity in another thread!
Who says nepotism isn&#39;t alive and well in our club.
No offense to Joe, Bruce and others who are looking out for "our" welfare..
OK, since we notice these things, the question is.."What do (or can) we do about it?"
Jake, or anyone else, we&#39;ve fought for a choice up to this point..
What can we do next to get Topeka to listen? I will state again that I truly appreciate everyones input in this discussion, and I have learned 100% more than I would have by researching all this on my own. We need to keep writing those who we voted into power to express our opinion, as that is the only way we will be heard.
Keep on letting your feelings be known.
Answers or opinions?
Mark

[x-ring]

I was chatting with Brian Culbertson outside Tech-Majal one evening at the runoffs and he indicated that the CRB would be receptive to a H&N that was certified to a different standard, maybe ANSI as Kirk brought up some time ago (or was it ASTM?).

Anyone here have any dealings with that group?

[gsbaker]

I think it was ASTM. I have no idea how that organization works, but it&#39;s worth looking into if the CRB is receptive.

We find that most sanctioning bodies deal with SFI only because there is no alternative in some matters.

[JimLill]

I think it was ASTM. I have no idea how that organization works, but it&#39;s worth looking into if the CRB is receptive.

We find that most sanctioning bodies deal with SFI only because there is no alternative in some matters.
[/b]

a few possible alternatives here:

http://auto.ihs.com/news/newsletters/auto-...3-standards.htm

[leggwork]

I was just looking at our region&#39;s 2007 race schedule and they also had a link to the February National Convention schedule.
http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/Fil...nvSchedule.pdf

On Friday of the program, there is a session titled "SFI Certification Program for Solo and Club Racing"

Solo?? that should start some rumors

cheers,
bruce

[leggwork]

I spoke to our local Solo/TT safety guy and he thinks it is related to allowing SFI certified helmets in Solo.
cheers,
bruce

I was just looking at our region&#39;s 2007 race schedule and they also had a link to the February National Convention schedule.
http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/Fil...nvSchedule.pdf

On Friday of the program, there is a session titled "SFI Certification Program for Solo and Club Racing"

Solo?? that should start some rumors

cheers,
bruce
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[Chris Wire]

In light of the recent post by gsbaker with 2 new ISAAC testimonials, do we have any more rumblings from the CRB or BOD regarding the inclusion/exclusion of specific H&N devices? I haven&#39;t seen anything, which may be a good thing!

(Besides, you can&#39;t just let a 19 page thread die ya know!)

[gsbaker]

Yeah, never let a good thread die.

We have heard nothing on the subject, which seems to have taken a breather. I suspect the developments subsequent to last year&#39;s BOD vote (SAE publications and SFI&#39;s meeting at PRI) lessen the appeal of an SFI-only mandate.

The rumor mill is always active, but that&#39;s nothing new.

For the record, that other thread was intended as a friendly reminder; I apologize if it comes across as though we are tooting our horn.