How many races count?

[88YB1]

Under the current system, if you race three different events SARRC, ECR, & Pro-IT covered by a single sanction number how many races do you get credit for?

Chuck
ITA #34

[JeffYoung]

That would count for 3 races. You finish half a race, you get credit for it even if it shares a sanction number with another series.

[Andy Bettencourt]

I do not believe that to be true Jeff. Your local series may score it as three different races but for your license, it is only 1 per sanction. (Unless there is some new rule otherwise this year)

AB

[JeffYoung]

I didn't see his comment about under the same sanction number -- I would check, a SARRC, an ECR and a CCPS should all car a different sanction, I believe.

[88YB1]

I asked the question because I plan to do the Sarrc, ECR, and Pro-IT at Road Atlanta the weekend of July 22-23. The supps show only one sanction number for all three.

Thanks for the replies
Chuck

[Knestis]

What Jeff said - if there's three races for separate series points, they SHOULD be under different sanction numbers...

EDIT - that is, if they are indeed three separate races on the track. I've never seen a SARRC race run WITHIN an ECR, but I suppose it's possible...?

K

[Andy Bettencourt]

Each sanction number costs your Region money from SCCA HQ. I am sure there are insurance and other reasons why. I can't speak for your Region but it would seem like they are trying to save money by holding the event under one 'umbrella'. Also, you have to come to more than one weekend to satisfy your licensing requirements.

This sounds like the drivers reps need in your area need to get the info for you (should you request it) and report back. Maybe a formal proposal asking them to break them out would be appropriate.

AB

[tom_sprecher]

Each sanction number costs your Region money from SCCA HQ. I am sure there are insurance and other reasons why. I can't speak for your Region but it would seem like they are trying to save money by holding the event under one 'umbrella'. Also, you have to come to more than one weekend to satisfy your licensing requirements.[/b]

All true. The RA supps indicate only one sanction # for the SARRC, ProIT and ECR. The PDX has it's own #.

Also see 5.3.1 of the 2006 GCR on page 26 which states "A driver shall receive credit for only one race per sanctioned event, regardless of the number of races entered." Sorry.

[gprodracer]

I have to agree with Andy, and Tom. I didn't know they could run all three under one sanction #.
They USED to have a separate number for all 3 series races. You might get lucky, and they may have only
published one, with the intent of using the others on the official results sheets.
I would call the CS, or some official to see if that is the case. It can't hurt, especially if you need the race credits for each race.
Good luck!
Mark P. Larson
CFR # 164010

[bldn10]

"A driver shall receive credit for only one race per sanctioned event, regardless of the number of races entered."

Although "event" can be interpreted to mean the entire schedule of races ("competitions") in a weekend, for the above to make sense, it must mean all of the individual group races under a single sanction. On the other hand, if that is true then 2.17 should say that a sanction is authority to hold an "event" not a "competition." If "event" does mean the entire weekend, then this says that you would only get credit for 1 race even no matter how many separately sanctioned races you ran. Is that the way it is applied in practice? On my renewals I always include Sat. and Sun. races and have never been called on it.

I think what this is meant to say is that if you run the same Miata in both ITA and SM in separate groups under a single Regional sanction, you only get credit for 1.

I have a hard time believing that Topeka is knowingly allowing a Region to run a Regional (SARRC), a Restricted Regional (Pro-IT), and an enduro under one sanction no. w/ only one fee paid.

[x-ring]

I always read it as one sancton number equals one race. Here in RMDiv we always have one sanction number per day, so a two day event is two sanctions, and thus two races.

[tom_sprecher]

To the best of my knowledge, irregardless of how you read it or how it can be interpreted we have one sanction # for the whole weekend. Therefore, if the rule states you get credit for one race per sanctioned event than that's all you get.

If we had two sanction numbers for the weekend you'd get credit for two assuming you finished. It's all about the Benjamins.

I don't know who knows what or even if it matters, but unless you want you entry fees to increase again mums the word.

[Zahniser1970]

Let me ask you this Tom. Why does the Atlanta region charge so much more for the ECR than other regions and also make you pay for a second driver? My only experience has been with the NCR region at VIR, but at least there you get a sanction number for each race and also no money to pay for a second ECR driver?

[dickita15]

To the best of my knowledge, irregardless of how you read it or how it can be interpreted we have one sanction # for the whole weekend. Therefore, if the rule states you get credit for one race per sanctioned event than that's all you get.

If we had two sanction numbers for the weekend you'd get credit for two assuming you finished. It's all about the Benjamins.

I don't know who knows what or even if it matters, but unless you want you entry fees to increase again mums the word.
[/b]

Tom. the regions can do this either way but the money is not much, it is just the santion fee no extra insurance. last I knew it was $250 per sanction but that is probably a little more this year.

[gprodracer]

Yeah, I may be getting old, but all 3 events (Sarrc, Pro IT, and ECR) are 3 separate series, and therefore each should be able to be entered separately. I know positively that it used to be done that way, as I ran the complete ECR series for 6 straight years, and always entered the SARRC, and ECR races (and once the Pro IT) for extra track time depending on how well I ran the different tracks.
Again, I would make a few phone calls to see what the deal is. Tom S, I agree with you as to the 1 sanction number = 1 race credit, but I truly feel that each series should have its own #, and thus count for a 3 race credit.
Good luck, I look forward to the final "official" answer to this.
P. S. Bill, you commited perjury on your license renewals??? (obviously joking!)
Mark P. Larson
CFR#164010

[tom_sprecher]

Instead of my trusty Magic 8 Ball, I consulting my friend, the one that got me involved in the work behind a race, the one that knows, works and lives the SCCA more than I could ever aspire to achieve, the one that if not the driving force behind the Atlanta Region is right up there, and he gave me the answers to your questions. And, no I am not looking for him to do me a big favor any time soon.

Q: Why is there only one sanction nuber for this coming race at RA and if I enter and finish 3 races will it count as a 3 race credit toward my license requirements.

A: Because and No! Just kidding. The reason we have gone to the one sanction number weekend is the general sentiment in Topeka is the SCCA does not want drivers fulfilling their license requirements in one weekend. They feel that is not enough experience in a year’s time and therefore could be detrimental to the driver and others he races with. Therefore, since there is one sanction number you will receive one race credit. At $450 for each sanction number we save a little but that is not the main reason. Making National happy is, so get used to it, you'll see it again.

Q: Why are Atlanta Region ECR entry fees higher at than in other regions?

A: Just like everybody else it makes us happy to see someone else get screwed every once in a while. Again, just kidding. Every region incurs expenses that must be paid for by the generation of revenue. As simple as that statement is you should just once try to make it happen. It ain’t easy. With that in mind we try to analyze what is the best value for the driver on a $/lap basis. If you do that you will see the ECR with or without a second driver is a hell of a bargain considering we have not raised the total ECR entry fee in a few years. If you do not feel that way I suggest you protest by spending your entry fee at another venue. After all that is how our partially socialist, mostly capitalist society works.

Now don’t shoot the messenger. I will try to answer any additional comments or constructive criticism, you can direct them to the RE or I’ll introduce you to my friend. I will warn you tread lightly. I don’t know how tall he is but I’m 6’2” and he’s a lot bigger than me!

[Zahniser1970]

Tom, thanks for being honest and taking time to answer our questions. See you next weekend!!

[JeffYoung]

Tom, thanks for that explanation. It makes sense, and I actually agree with National's explanation on it.