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Thread: It's May 1st...How's your SIR???

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    If you look at the other classes that use weight or restrictors to adjust cars, those cars are more similar in layout. Look at all the different GT cars, if you build them to the limit of the rules they come out very similar. Tube frame, rear wheel drive, same size tires and brakes, just slightly different engines and bodies.[/b]
    John,

    I totally agree w/ you on this one, but I also agree w/ Andy. If you look at it, anything that's close to the E36 in performance is pretty much getting shot down. The E46 makes less power and came in at a higher weight. The way the system is set up now, you won't see something that would usurp an unrestricted E36.

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    I agree 100%--lets go back to classing the old way. BMW says it only makes 150 stock and it can't race at the real weight because we only allow 50 lbs ballast. Screw the SIR and add lead like every other car in the class. At 3000lbs it would still be a bear to beat. Yes I know this is not the process weight but it would be real world close.
    Steve Eckerich
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    Competition adjustments have no place in IT!


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    There ARE NO COMPETITION ADJUSTMENTS in IT... You guys need to start PAYING ATTENTION!

    This entire process that's happened over the past two years has been done soley... SOLEY, to get the classes back into some form of alignment.

    That being done, further adjustments should be a rare occurrance... Some pretty SERIOUS and conclusive evidence better exist showing a need for a correction, before any further changes are going to be made...

    We have already admitted and taken ownership of the fact that there may have been some cars that we missed, or even adjusted incorrectly, and we have already said we'll work to correct those, but otherwise, this is it folks...

    Any future classifications will be fit into the system using the same process of classification used to make these adjustements, and the tools are in place to correct those classifications, should we get them wrong the first time...

    There should no longer be a case of the "HOT CAR" to have... There WILL BE certain cars that are better under certain conditions, but overall, everyone should be close to a simlilar level of potential in a given class...


    And whoever said that the BMW at 3000lbs would be "real world close" just isn't paying attention to the facts... The car makes way... WAY more than 150hp, and 3000lbs, or the equivalent of SMALL passenger to the existing car (2850 + 150lbs), is not going to come CLOSE to bringing this car back to the correct wt/pwr ratio for the class... 3200lbs would be closer to the mark... based on REAL HP figures given to the ITAC and CRB by actual BMW drivers...

    Enjoy...
    Darin E. Jordan
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    [And whoever said that the BMW at 3000lbs would be "real world close" just isn't paying attention to the facts... The car makes way... WAY more than 150hp, and 3000lbs, or the equivalent of SMALL passenger to the existing car (2850 + 150lbs), is not going to come CLOSE to bringing this car back to the correct wt/pwr ratio for the class... 3200lbs would be closer to the mark... based on REAL HP figures given to the ITAC and CRB by actual BMW drivers...

    Enjoy...
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    Darin. Sorry but it sounds like semantics to me. Call it "The process" or "Alignment" To me it still seems a competition adjustment!

    I know you guys have put a lot of work into this and I'm sorry if I missed or misunderstood something.

    Remember this is only my opinion we're talking about here.



    Oops. I forgot one very important question: Steve, is that a MK1 Escort under your name? I know this is OT but enquiring minds and all that.
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    Darin. Sorry but it sounds like semantics to me. Call it "The process" or "Alignment" To me it still seems a competition adjustment!


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    Maybe it would be better termed a -

    "A categorical correction of past mistakes and misclassifications via the use of a process to acheive a correct category alignment."
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    Maybe it would be better termed a -

    "A categorical correction of past mistakes and misclassifications via the use of a process to acheive a correct category alignment." [/b]

    BRILLIANT!
    Andy Bettencourt
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    yes it is .and is driven at least once a week. to car shows and club events.
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