E46 IN ITS

[lateapex911]

The e46 could and would be a great car BUT consider the following: It will require MOTEC or something similar to make any hp and due to double VANOS you will need atleast a M600 or better unit so expect to have north of $6000 in the unit, wiring and tuning alone. ...[/b]

May I ask a 'newbie' question? Why does the double vanos require that level of programability?
(And, for giggles, what if the "In the stock box" aspect of the ECU rule were removed?

Then what if the car kick ass and takes names ????????
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Then the cream has risen....

[Fastfred92]

May I ask a 'newbie' question? Why does the double vanos require that level of programability?
(And, for giggles, what if the "In the stock box" aspect of the ECU rule were removed?

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Jake, my understanding is that the complex OBD II code in the OEM box can not be expanded enough via flash or otherwise to remap the entire fuel curve for the racing enviroment. I dont know if this is a BMW only thing or common problem with all OBD II setups. If I understand correctly most aftermarket engine management systems are designed to, or not to, trigger additional functions like VTEC or VANOS and with the double VANOS it may need to trigger two? ( Motec guy at PRI said M4, M48 or M400 could not be used to trigger a double VANOS setup, only M600 or higher, read more $$ ) I think if we have this nonsense rule for MOTEC etc. we should elminate the "inside the box" part if for no other reason than to save some money. I think AEM currently offers a plug and play (e36) unit for less than half the MOTEC price but it would not fit inside the OEM box.


And as for the cream rising to the top, well with all due respect to any ad hoc member etc. most of the BMW guys are skeptical about that.

[lateapex911]

. I think AEM currently offers a plug and play (e36) unit for less than half the MOTEC price but it would not fit inside the OEM box.
And as for the cream rising to the top, well with all due respect to any ad hoc member etc. most of the BMW guys are skeptical about that.
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Good to get data points on the ECU thing, it is clearly a rule nobody is happy with.

On the cream thing, with all due respect to any BMW guy, if you are infering that the BMW guys feel that they are getting penalized for doing a better job, then the facts of the matter, and the process numbers are being completely ignored. As to the SIR, we are all reacting based on one published dyno pull on a poorly running engine.

I can't tell you if the SIR is right or wrong from a sizing point of view, but to state that it is wrong is pure conjecture at this point.

[dj10]

Good to get data points on the ECU thing, it is clearly a rule nobody is happy with.

On the cream thing, with all due respect to any BMW guy, if you are infering that the BMW guys feel that they are getting penalized for doing a better job, then the facts of the matter, and the process numbers are being completely ignored. As to the SIR, we are all reacting based on one published dyno pull on a poorly running engine.

I can't tell you if the SIR is right or wrong from a sizing point of view, but to state that it is wrong is pure conjecture at this point. [/b]

All I can say is that if I'm spending all this money to make my car get slower, if I get beat by a E46 323 Hans Stuck or Boris Said better be in that damn car!

I'll bet you a dollar someone comes out with a race version of the E46 ECU.

[lateapex911]

All I can say is that if I'm spending all this money to make my car get slower, if I get beat by a E46 323 Hans Stuck or Boris Said better be in that damn car!
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naaaa...Stuky is old.....now Bill Auberlin...that might be the guy!

I'll bet you a dollar someone comes out with a race version of the E46 ECU.
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Nope...my dollar is safe in my pocket....it's only a matter of time.

[e36its]

I can't tell you if the SIR is right or wrong from a sizing point of view, but to state that it is wrong is pure conjecture at this point.
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<gentle prodding>
Quite true, Jake... but for me to state that it works at this point would be pure conjecture as well since nobody&#39;s seen fit to release representative test results and can&#39;t get my hands on a 29mm SIR just yet.
</gentle prodding>

tom

[lateapex911]

<gentle prodding>
Quite true, Jake... but for me to state that it works at this point would be pure conjecture as well since nobody&#39;s seen fit to release representative test results and can&#39;t get my hands on a 29mm SIR just yet.
</gentle prodding>

tom
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[impatient agreement]

I know...you&#39;re preaching to the choir, I&#39;m frustrated too, although my car is in so mnay peices right now I wouldn&#39;t know what to do with an SIR if it was handed to me, LOL (Of course, with 130HP and 106 ft lbs of tq, I&#39;d be just fie with the size, LOL)

[/impatient (not with you) agreement]