wireing proposal

[Doc Bro]

Just to stir the pot.......

I'd love to know how many in the rules creep, purist category still have their speakers. I do- on the passenger side. Not on the drivers side because of cage clearance......

Interesting

R

[Greg Amy]

Greg, Did you buy your car new??[/b]

Yup.

...were you able to get the NX2000 w/o radio?[/b]

Yup. Ordered from the factory with no A/C, no radio, no t-tops, no nuthin'.

'Course, since removal of the interior panels is legal, and speakers attach to the interior panels, it's a moot point on most vehicles. - GA

[Matt Rowe]

I don't know Greg, the function of a speaker is obviously different than that of a door panel. And remember, just because a car faces a limitation like this (speaker mounted to door panel) doesn't mean you can force a legal mod (door panel removal) to facilitate an illegal one. I would say that if the speaker must remain and they are attached to the door panels then the panel, or a portion of it, must remain.

Does this earn me my rules nerd membership?

Oh, and that was a joke, but it does raise an interesting question.

[zracre]

If the car was available without it as an option, you can take it out and leave what would be there if you bought it with radio delete package...nothing. I guess it is a good debate for a car you couldn't get w/o radio delete.

[charrbq]

This is the same argument made several years ago about cars like mine having rear window wipers. Some models did, some models didn't. Some people removed them, some didn't. The question of legality was never completely solved, just dropped. I suppose the consensus was that if you were beaten by a car that had no windshield wiper, was that the reason or only the tip of the iceberg.

[Knestis]

Seems like there's a difference between a car that comes "standard" without a rear wiper, and ordering a delete option that leaves something off that is "standard." Or maybe not. What do I know.

K

[Andy Bettencourt]

Matt,

So you are telling me that when I replace my door panel with the allowable aluminum sheet, I have to find a way to re-install my speaker, window crank, arm rest, interior door handle, etc?

AB

[Matt Rowe]

Andy,

As for the idea of the window crank, arm rest, handle etc, those are all specfically called out. So they are obviously legal to remove. But I can't find a place in the ITCS where it says it is allowable to remove speakers. If you can't remove them they have to remain in the car and in some cases the door panels also serve as a speaker mount. Removal of the panels in that case would be a situation of an allowed modification performing an illegal function.

In reality though, the rule should just be changed to allow radio and speakers to be removed. Even the language in the TCS and SSCS does that. But it just goes to show how everyone seems to take some rules for granted.

[dickita15]

So what would it take to make this one small section of the rules simple.

my original proposal
Proposed wording lifted from A Sedan rules:

For carbureted cars removal of wiring associated with a component which may be removed by these rules is permitted. All non-essential wiring may be removed. Existing wiring may be substituted.

should all car be allowed to remove wiring associated with a component which may be removed by these rules. would this create a problem.

how about all non-essential wiring may be removed.

How about Existing wiring may be substituted as long as that substitution does perform any other function.

[Geo]

You're telling me that you had to check a box and pay more for speakers, on a base-model Nissan? 1966 Galaxie, I can believe that but Japanese-branded cars of that era??

K
[/b]

Dealer option.

I bought my 1991 Sentra SE-R new off the showroom floor with no radio or speakers.

I don't know Greg, the function of a speaker is obviously different than that of a door panel. And remember, just because a car faces a limitation like this (speaker mounted to door panel) doesn't mean you can force a legal mod (door panel removal) to facilitate an illegal one. I would say that if the speaker must remain and they are attached to the door panels then the panel, or a portion of it, must remain.

Does this earn me my rules nerd membership?

Oh, and that was a joke, but it does raise an interesting question.
[/b]

Well, Greg doesn't have that worry since his car came w/o radio.

However, if I had a car with speakers attached to the panels, I would certainly leave them attached to the panels......

In the garage.

In reality though, the rule should just be changed to allow radio and speakers to be removed.
[/b]

I heartily agree.

But it just goes to show how everyone seems to take some rules for granted.
[/b]

Yep.

[turboICE]

You're telling me that you had to check a box and pay more for speakers, on a base-model Nissan? 1966 Galaxie, I can believe that but Japanese-branded cars of that era??

K
[/b]

I bought a 2004 Subaru Impreza STi that came with no radio or speakers from the factory except as an option - and very few came with that option almost all were delivered without the radio unless the dealer installed it.

Also had an 86 Nissan with no radio or speakers new of the factory floor.

[Bildon]

I think you have an illegal hood scoop on the VW in that pic!!!!!
edit your competition has an illegal hoodscoop!
[/b]

Finally somebody notices why I was being passed.

[rsportvolvo]

Did anything come of this proposed rules change? It seems that wiring is the only major area omitted from the ITCS.

The reason I ask is that I have to relocated my fuse panel as it is right where the required driver's side front down tube mounts. While I'm relocating the fuse panel I would like to replace my GBC type fuses with more modern ATC type.

[dickita15]

Did anything come of this proposed rules change? It seems that wiring is the only major area omitted from the ITCS.

The reason I ask is that I have to relocated my fuse panel as it is right where the required driver's side front down tube mounts. While I'm relocating the fuse panel I would like to replace my GBC type fuses with more modern ATC type.

No this request was rejected.

[lateapex911]

That sounds so cold!!!

[dickita15]

well

[lateapex911]

yea, I saw that coming a mile away.