Back to my original point. I have read with interest all of the responses, but one question still has not been answered. I can understand overworking the cv joints with extreme angles-I can understand the problem with the axles coming straight out from trans to the hub (problem of them being too long) but what if the axles are the same angle going up from the trans to the hub in lowered form as going down from the trans to the hub in stock form. I drive an '83 VW GTI everyday and the axles on that car are angled down to the hubs(approx. 3 degrees) So what is the difference - other than bump steer toeing out under compression as opposed to toeing in in stock height under compression? Thanks for reading my rambling, Al Stephenson ITB #14