Is this an ITB car?

[bbreon]

So, where do we think the 2002 Mini Cooper (not S) will be classed when able to? 5 years after production would be 2007, correct?

Too bad it will cost a fortune to find a donor car though.

Here are the specs

Length: 142.8 in. Width: 66.5 in.
Height: 55.9 in. Wheel Base: 97.1 in.
Curb Weight: 2315 lbs. Gross Weight: 3263 lbs.
Interior
Front Head Room: 38.8 in. Front Shoulder Room: 50.9 in.
Rear Head Room: 37.6 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 44.7 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.3 in. Rear Leg Room: 31.3 in.
Luggage Capacity: 5.3 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 25 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 4

Performance Data

Performance
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 8.5 sec. Base Number of Cylinders: 4
Base Engine Size: 1.6 liters Base Engine Type: Inline 4
Horsepower: 115 hp Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm
Torque: 110 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4500 rpm
Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 34.9 ft.

[RSTPerformance]

Looks like a good fit for a "new car" that would spice up the class a bit. I think the class is great with all the different potentially winning cars and adding a new car with the potential to win will only help the class out!!!

Raymond

[Bill Miller]

Stock power specs are pretty much the same as a Golf/Jetta III 2.0

[bbreon]

Looks to be about 12 ftlbs less on torque than the Golf III but also about 200lbs lighter. Depends on what the SCCA thinks the competition weight should be.

Am I correct that it is eligible for classing for 2007, right?

[Marcus Miller]

The specs resemble a first gen Rx7 to me...


Marcus

[Bill Miller]

Originally posted by Marcus Miller@Dec 11 2005, 07:04 PM
The specs resemble a first gen Rx7 to me...
Marcus

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A 1st gen RX7 makes 110 lb-ft of torque???

[Knestis]

I think that's a B car - and one I wouldn't mind at all racing against.

K

[Andy Bettencourt]

ITB at 2450ish? Hmmm....

AB

[Marcus Miller]

Originally posted by Bill Miller@Dec 11 2005, 04:20 PM
A 1st gen RX7 makes 110 lb-ft of torque???

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Sure, with the Turbo that we keep hidden

Marcus

[bbreon]

Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt@Dec 11 2005, 07:47 PM
ITB at 2450ish? Hmmm....

AB

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I was thinking more like 2200!

[Knestis]

Nah - make it the same weight as the Golf.

K

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by bbreon@Dec 12 2005, 07:38 AM
I was thinking more like 2200!

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Based on what?

[Banzai240]

Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt@Dec 11 2005, 11:47 PM
ITB at 2450ish? Hmmm....

AB

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I'm with Andy... Right around 2450lbs for ITB...

[Bill Miller]

Originally posted by Knestis@Dec 12 2005, 09:46 AM
Nah - make it the same weight as the Golf.

K

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Careful what you ask for Kirk.

[gran racing]

Nah - make it the same weight as the Golf.

I couldn't have said it any better myself!

I've raced with a SSC Mini on several occasions at LRP and the Glen when my car had an old stock engine, fairly basic exhaust, air intake, race suspension. While this may be a somewhat crude comparison, the two cars were a good match. Based on that and the specs above, seems like it would be a good fit at 2,450.

2,200? Ha!!! Now that's all fine and dandy as long as the other ITB cars get a 250 lb weight brake.

[ddewhurst]

I need some help folks.

Mini is 115 hp @ 6,000 rpm & 110 ft. lb. torque @ 4,500 in ITB @ 450ish lb.

RX-7 101 hp @ 6,000 rpm & 107 ft. lb. torque @ 4,000 in ITB @ 2600 lb IIRC.

I understand there are other components to the recipe but because the receipe is secret how dose a 1st gen RX-7 compete with a car with 14% more hp & 3% more torque with 150ish pounds less weight ?

For a second question I truly would like to know why the receipe SHALL remain secret.

(I could also presume the Mini has a fule management system & FI)

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by ddewhurst@Dec 12 2005, 08:43 AM
I need some help folks.

Mini is 115 hp @ 6,000 rpm & 110 ft. lb. torque @ 4,500 in ITB @ 450ish lb.

RX-7 101 hp @ 6,000 rpm & 107 ft. lb. torque @ 4,000 in ITB @ 2600 lb IIRC.

I understand there are other components to the recipe but because the receipe is secret how dose a 1st gen RX-7 compete with a car with 14% more hp & 3% more torque with 150ish pounds less weight ?

For a second question I truly would like to know why the receipe SHALL remain secret.

(I could also presume the Mini has a fule management system & FI)

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Let's not hijack this thing too much...

David, it ain't all about stock power, it's about power in IT prep. What is a top ITA RX-7 making these days? And remember, we have a owner/driver in the committee, so we already know...just tell the rest of the BB and you will have your answer.

AB

[bbreon]

Originally posted by Andy Bettencourt@Dec 12 2005, 10:12 AM
Based on what?

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1993 Volkswagon Golf III specs

Exterior
Length: 160.5 in. Width: 66.7 in.
Height: 56.2 in. Wheel Base: 97.4 in.
Curb Weight: 2577 lbs.

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 115 hp
Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 122 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 3200 rpm Drive Type: FWD
Turning Circle: 32.6 ft.

2002 Mini Cooper Specs

Length: 142.8 in. Width: 66.5 in.
Height: 55.9 in. Wheel Base: 97.1 in.
Curb Weight: 2315 lbs. Gross Weight: 3263 lbs.

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4
Base Engine Size: 1.6 liters Base Engine Type: Inline 4
Horsepower: 115 hp Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm
Torque: 110 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4500 rpm
Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 34.9 ft.


My thinking was a Golf III curb weight is 2577 and unless I am looking at something wrong shows a race weight of 2350, a 227 lb reduction. With the Cooper being down on Torque by 12 lbs, a smaller engine (1.6 vs 2.0) and a curb weith of 2315, 2200 was my off the cuff suggestion.

Do you believe the Cooper to be a car where the performance of the parts may be greater than the sum of the parts?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Originally posted by bbreon@Dec 12 2005, 12:51 PM
1993 Volkswagon Golf III specs

Exterior
Length: 160.5 in. Width: 66.7 in.
Height: 56.2 in. Wheel Base: 97.4 in.
Curb Weight: 2577 lbs.

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 115 hp
Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm Torque: 122 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 3200 rpm Drive Type: FWD
Turning Circle: 32.6 ft.

2002 Mini Cooper Specs

Length: 142.8 in. Width: 66.5 in.
Height: 55.9 in. Wheel Base: 97.1 in.
Curb Weight: 2315 lbs. Gross Weight: 3263 lbs.

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4
Base Engine Size: 1.6 liters Base Engine Type: Inline 4
Horsepower: 115 hp Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm
Torque: 110 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 4500 rpm
Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 34.9 ft.
My thinking was a Golf III curb weight is 2577 and unless I am looking at something wrong shows a race weight of 2350, a 227 lb reduction. With the Cooper being down on Torque by 12 lbs, a smaller engine (1.6 vs 2.0) and a curb weith of 2315, 2200 was my off the cuff suggestion.

Do you believe the Cooper to be a car where the performance of the parts may be greater than the sum of the parts?

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Curb weight has nothing to do with race weight in IT - other than a quick measuring stick to make sure cars could be able to get DOWN to minimum.

Why not compare it to the 1987 Prelude Si at 110hp in ITB at 2450?

Oh, ya...HUGE brakes compared to both cars...lots of factors to consider.

AB

[zracre]

Isn't the Prelude carbureted?? I say 2315# ...no more than 2400 or it would be a slug. what are the rabbit gti specs?